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20 years 8 months ago #8788
by n/a10
Replied by n/a10 on topic Reply from ed van der Meulen
Yes everybody
Tuffy isn't wrong. We can't perceive so a little and think so much.
And for me you have to start with very little and not with already a lot. For everything has predecessors.
The numbers are so large we can only work out a small part or work at higher scales, seeing roughly at things, having maximum solutions, problems and real margins. Our instruments are full with it. Limitations. But we are free to think everything.
Like some theoretical physists are wild about the idea of a smoothly expanding big bang. Yes you can easily think about it. Where in the universe goes something smooth? Even not in dark matter.
We can better keep it simple, I think.
Let's now have a nice drink, okay?
Ed van der Meulen
Tuffy isn't wrong. We can't perceive so a little and think so much.
And for me you have to start with very little and not with already a lot. For everything has predecessors.
The numbers are so large we can only work out a small part or work at higher scales, seeing roughly at things, having maximum solutions, problems and real margins. Our instruments are full with it. Limitations. But we are free to think everything.
Like some theoretical physists are wild about the idea of a smoothly expanding big bang. Yes you can easily think about it. Where in the universe goes something smooth? Even not in dark matter.
We can better keep it simple, I think.
Let's now have a nice drink, okay?
Ed van der Meulen
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20 years 8 months ago #9335
by tuffy
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like i've said earlier, philosophy or theoretical cosmology depends on science for it's advancement. in may case, i'm only vaguely aware of where science, mainly physics and astronomy, is to be able to extrapolate from that the nature and extent of existence or the universe. so, what has science come up with. bascially, that macroscopically and microscopically the universe is still going strong and is larger than our ability to discern any end, final analysis, barrier, etc. to my mind, we are dealing with space and matter. since we are yet unable to get to the smallest particle or the apparent end of the distribution of matter throughout space, some of us are led to believe that space may be infinitel, matter may or may not be infinite, the smallest particle may never be forthcoming. the problem is that if infinity has anything to do with this, we will never know because of it's very nature. even if matter appeared to end forming a spherical comglomeration of galaxies, for example, there could be other spheres of matter out there beyond ours that we are yet unable to sense. i admit that i do find it more difficult to conceive of an infinite microcosm since i figure that matter is composed of something definite, like pure energy in the form of an electical current or radiation or something. conversely, maybe space does eventually wrap around upon itself. but i just can't see it. the concept of infinite space is so incredible, so compelling, that i think i, too, am entrenched and dogmatic about it being true, somehow. so the backdrop for the distribution of matter is so incomprehensible, so fantastic that it is kinda fun to think about. anyway, i wanted my topic to have fire on the little topic folder so i thought about this to be the 20th reply. also, say that about 90% of the worlds population is religious and believes, more or less, in a creator (even many scientists). then a small amount are atheist. then a larger amount agnostic (that's what i claim to be) and a large percentage of the remainder is just not religious or philosophical. but my point is that among the philosophical atheists, agnostics and scientists, which is a quite small part of the general public, it seems like most don't really agree that much. so, it seems to me that discussions like the ones that go on on this web site are up in the thin air of escoteric thought. in other words, we are lucky...peace!
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20 years 8 months ago #9661
by n/a10
Replied by n/a10 on topic Reply from ed van der Meulen
Tuffy: "like i've said earlier, philosophy or theoretical cosmology depends on science for it's advancement."
You are so right in this Tuffy.
And you posted an email that comes from my heart as well. Thanks Tuffy. You are a wise thinker, if I may say that.
But now another thing.
There are other people as well here. And they don't like my postings.
No one is interested in my own posting under "News and Information". While I wrote them in an easy way. I don't no why there are no reactions.
Going further on what you say I critize all mathematical theories now also SM and MM and not everybody likes that. And everything is so easy to understrand.
And when no reaction comes to my postings I will leave again and I will go to another site. And then I will miss your so good postings Tuffy.
But I really enjoyed this posting of you.
Ed
You are so right in this Tuffy.
And you posted an email that comes from my heart as well. Thanks Tuffy. You are a wise thinker, if I may say that.
But now another thing.
There are other people as well here. And they don't like my postings.
No one is interested in my own posting under "News and Information". While I wrote them in an easy way. I don't no why there are no reactions.
Going further on what you say I critize all mathematical theories now also SM and MM and not everybody likes that. And everything is so easy to understrand.
And when no reaction comes to my postings I will leave again and I will go to another site. And then I will miss your so good postings Tuffy.
But I really enjoyed this posting of you.
Ed
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20 years 8 months ago #8847
by tuffy
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ed, thanx alot for your kind words. i'm new at this although i've been thinking about these things for quite a few years. i don't even know what SM & MM mean. to me, everyone is different and all thinkers have something to contribute. i admire mathematicians, phyicists, astronomers and other scientists but that's not me. i took an IQ test once and it turns out that i have a gift for abstract thinking. so, i figure that this is a gift or trait that i have that i like to think about infinity and eternity. to some people it is a threatening subject. to me, we are not responsible for how we turn out. after 4 and a half billion years of evolution, this is the way it worked out. above all, i want to have a sense of awe and wonder at this majestic, incredible thing called the universe. there is no right, no wrong, only is...
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20 years 8 months ago #9471
by n/a10
Replied by n/a10 on topic Reply from ed van der Meulen
Hello Tuffy
SM is the Standard Model. MM was a serious try with statistics and more formal axioms than SM to improve the SM. MM is a beautiful logical theorie, more consistent that the SM.
The mathematical proof theory uses also the meta notion. Talking about someting in a quite formal way. That's very useful. It's somewhat more abstract.
But it's also like any other mathematical model not with accidents and without real unpredictable surprises. So it not modern thinking. In the deductive way you don't meet unexpected things. And we perceive them continually. This thinking is the tradition.
The universe, the everything, a very strange subject. You can't do normal experiments. You only have to look at the start, and like people before you, to fantasy. What could that be?
Have a nice day
Ed
SM is the Standard Model. MM was a serious try with statistics and more formal axioms than SM to improve the SM. MM is a beautiful logical theorie, more consistent that the SM.
The mathematical proof theory uses also the meta notion. Talking about someting in a quite formal way. That's very useful. It's somewhat more abstract.
But it's also like any other mathematical model not with accidents and without real unpredictable surprises. So it not modern thinking. In the deductive way you don't meet unexpected things. And we perceive them continually. This thinking is the tradition.
The universe, the everything, a very strange subject. You can't do normal experiments. You only have to look at the start, and like people before you, to fantasy. What could that be?
Have a nice day
Ed
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20 years 8 months ago #9477
by tuffy
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ed, thanks for the explanation, i'm afraid that it is quite a bit over my head. do you have an opinion on whether the microcosm (sub-atomic particles and so on) is infinite or finite. and if you think it's finite, what do you think is the smallest object of existence or what might it be and more importantly...what is it?
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