infinite, eternal universe

North,

I salute you for your persistance, but I see no progress. And I see no prospect for progress.

Since I've been watching this board I've seen four or five personas come here with some variation on the "nothing is everything" message. They have all behaved in roughly the same way - lots of conclusions, no explanations.

It is interesting and educational to watch others (especially Dr. Van Flandern) try to coax some sense out of them. Perhaps one day someone will succeed. I might even try again one of these days.


Good Luck,
LB

<i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br />North,

I salute you for your persistance, but I see no progress. And I see no prospect for progress.

Since I've been watching this board I've seen four or five personas come here with some variation on the "nothing is everything" message. They have all behaved in roughly the same way - lots of conclusions, no explanations.

It is interesting and educational to watch others (especially Dr. Van Flandern) try to coax some sense out of them. Perhaps one day someone will succeed. I might even try again one of these days.


Good Luck,
LB
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Larry

thanks for note,i knew it would come to religion,when he first came on Tom mentioned that it has no place here. that is why there is no substance in his answers, it seems to me just alot of jibberish. i don't think that he really understands it himself anyway, although he claims otherwise, otherwise he would be better able to communicate with us, enough of this nonsense on to better discussions, almost reminds me of our spambot visitor!!

[North] " ...almost reminds me of our spambot visitor!!"

Yeah. I had a similar thought. But you really can tell the difference.

LB

While I wait for a an update on my TurboTax through download (one hour at 56K).<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I see lots of derision in your message, but no answers, no alternatives, indeed no substance whatever.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I did say in my last post - I'd like to continue here, but I have more pressing matters to attend to. The tax man cometh, and you just don't ignore that god for any reason. I was going to provide an alternative to north, but by the looks of his last reply, he's just not patient enough to give me the time to feed the God of the books. The tax man cometh with an empty stomach. One must print up some hard cash to put a smile on that face! Not to mention a mountain of paperwork for a side dish. The tax man cometh and he makes no deals after tomorrow.

My last post was not intended as an alternative. It has no answers. It just shows that Tom's answers are faith based. That his faith is based on bad logic through inconsistency. I will make another attempt to point that out in further detail, but the tax man cometh and he's hungy! Download complete! Time to cook the books - err um ,,, read a recipe from a cook book so I can make up some dough, and feed the God that never stops eating.

Skarp,

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> It just shows that Tom's answers are faith based. That his faith is based on bad logic through inconsistency. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I'd say that Tom's views are quite the opposite, i.e. non-faith based. To see this, just recall that the MM does not require a point of inception for the Universe. No God or miracle is required to justify its existence.

The BB on the other hand stipulates a moment where space-time suddenly comes into existence. Logic tells us that you need a miracle or a God to make this happen.

[Skarp] "My last post ... has no answers."

We noticed. In fact, we noticed that none of your posts have any answers. Members of CONIE (the Cult Of Nothing Is Everything)(copyright) never offer any support for their conclusions.

I don't suppose you would consider stopping that?