EXISTENCE (not creation) Ex Nihilo

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Skarp</i>
<br />To take the form of an apple as an example - Your perception of it requires that there is nothing within the apple, and nothing outside it. You percieve it's form only. No consideration is given to the seeds of the apple, nor it's core, or the meat of the apple, or perhaps the bowl of fruit that surrounds it.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">We may live in different universes. My perception of an apple includes measurements of its mass, density, chemical composition, and parts, including seeds, core, and meat, and may include its surroundings. If the apple were nothing more than the form I see with my eyes, then for all I know only the photons hitting my eyes exist. However, I have many means besides vision to help my perceptions along. The entire field of physics is about the study of material entities, both visible and invisible.

Your statement that perception requires that nothing is inside the apple is beyond my comprehension. It reminds me of the philosophy that there is no external reality apart from our perceptions. I understand that many people hold such a view, but it is illogical nonetheless, as I explain in depth in one chapter of my book <i>Dark Matter...</i>. When you kick a rock, you will feel pain, whatever your perception. If you walk off a cliff, nature puts your wasted dead atoms to better use.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I don't consider this to be a personal belief.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Then what is it? What objective facts or logical premises do you base this view on?

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">My speculation from this is that should we have a fundamental particle. I.E No concepts within it's geometric form. That it is the definition of Non-Existence. That this fundamental particle is not physical, but a conceptual entity that acts in accordance with physical laws.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I do not understand where any of these statements come from. Are you familiar with the latin expression <i>non sequitur</i>? I find it impossible to follow a logical thread in your sentences. Is it me or is it you? -|Tom|-

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Skarp</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">what is the essence of the idea of concept?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
It would appear you wish to take a tip toe stance.
I might sympathize had you not made this statement about me.

people
is this not the saddest commentary of you have ever heard of the human experience.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I however will attempt to answer your query.
A concept is a thought and since I will not deny it's existence - Thought must have some form for purposes of perception, and form is about the only criteria of existence. We could discuss the standards of form, but you get the picture in your everyday life.
One note to be made is that all forms are made of nothing. Your perception requires it.

In the universe there are only ones - One at a time - where time is the nothing that ones are made of.
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Skarp

now what is the essence of thought?

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by north</i>
<br />. . . now what is the essence of thought?
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Logic

messiah

no, thought is not necessarily logical,thought just is,there are illogical and reasonless thoughts and pictures,besides i'm looking for something deeper than logic etc.

put another way, what gives the result of thought?

supplemental

what makes thought possible?

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Is it me or is it you?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
In this particular case it is you.
Judging from your reply - You didn't understand the point or any points in the post, and since this is the case - I can see it could take twenty post to get anything of significance across. I don't think I have the stamina for a chore that could take three weeks. Some days I'm just to tired to think. Today happens to be one of those days, and tomorrow could be. Regretfully ... I can't commit to the task. I apologize for wasting your time.