Requiem for Relativity

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15 years 2 months ago #23821 by mhull
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Samizdat</i>
<br />Has any of you read, or have you preliminary thoughts on the new book by Michael Strauss, "Requiem for Relativity: the Collapse of Special Relativity?"

[url] www.relativitycollapse.net/ [/url]
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I see in other forums some claiming a requiem for LR, citing a test that apparently confirms the Geodetic Effect.

[url] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodetic_effect#Experimental_confirmation [/url]

Does this apparent finding pose a problem for LR?

Regards,

Matthew Hull

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15 years 2 months ago #23052 by Joe Keller
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mhull</i>
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<br />Has any of you read, or have you preliminary thoughts on the new book by Michael Strauss, "Requiem for Relativity: the Collapse of Special Relativity?"

[url] www.relativitycollapse.net/ [/url]
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I see in other forums some claiming a requiem for LR, citing a test that apparently confirms the Geodetic Effect.
[url] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodetic_effect#Experimental_confirmation [/url]

Does this apparent finding pose a problem for LR?

Regards,

Matthew Hull
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15 years 2 months ago #23108 by Joe Keller
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Re: Our Giant Planets Lie on a Circle Dec. 26, 2012

Two posts ago, I reported that my careful extrapolation, by actual and estimated higher-order differences, of the printed 2010 Astronomical Almanac, showed that our four giant planets most nearly (by sum of squared errors) satisfy the angle equations of Euclid III.20-21 (i.e., lie on a circle) at approx. 18h GMT, Dec. 26, 2012. (This theorem of Euclid's gives a definition of "nearly on a circle" which applies to noncoplanar points.)

Tonight I confirmed this by getting the heliocentric J2000.0 (not equinox & ecliptic of date) celestial (not ecliptic) coordinates for 0h 12/20/2012, 12/23 & 12/26, online from the JPL DE405 ephemeris (the JPL ephemerides long have been the basis of the Astronomical Almanac) at ssd.jpl.nasa.gov, through the JPL Horizons Ephemeris Generator linked to ephemeris.com. I chose the ephemeris values for the barycenter of the planet's system, i.e. including its moons.

The spherical coordinates then were interpolated quadratically between these three time points. Despite doing almost everything differently, I got about the same result as two posts ago: 16h18m GMT 12/26/2012 (vs. my last attempt, 17h37m GMT 12/26/2012).

I've noticed two more unusual things about the giant planets' positions in 2012. The night before last, I fitted ellipses of various inclinations (dy/dx along an axis), to the projections of J, S, U, and N, onto the ecliptic at the time when, according to my rather accurate extrapolation, the actual J, S, U, and N best fit a circle (by the Euclid III. 20-21 criterion). Because the projections onto the ecliptic also closely approximate a circle, most of these ellipses were nearly circles. However, for inclination 79.767deg, the solution is a parabola with its axis at that inclination. Within 0.4deg of that inclination, the solutions are ellipses with eccentricity &gt; 0.1. At 79.79deg, the ellipse has e = 0.6, Barbarossa's eccentricity. Barbarossa's perihelion, according to my calculation from the sky surveys, is at ecliptic longitude 85. So, at Dec. 2012, the four giant planets nearly lie on a circle, but they also nearly lie on an ellipse of the same shape and orientation as Barbarossa's orbit. The inclination of the parabola (or any ellipse of e &gt; 0.1) comes to equal 85, 1.3yr later.

This morning I noticed another unusual thing. At the time of best fit to a circle, the sum of the giant planets' linear (not angular) momenta (assuming their moons have the same velocity as the planets)(with a rough correction for orbital eccentricity) relative to the sun, projected onto the ecliptic, is toward longitude 165deg. Barbarossa's ecliptic longitude then is 176.

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15 years 2 months ago #23058 by Joe Keller
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2012: Sonic Boom in Ether?

(for convenience, also posted to thread, "Quantized Redshift Anomaly")

<i>Originally posted by Joe Keller [on Mar. 1, 2006, in thread, "Quantized Redshift Anomaly"]</i>
<br />...Blitz, Fich & Stark (Astrophysical J. Supplement 49:183-206, 1982) used radio emissions of carbon monoxide to measure RV's of HII regions in our galaxy. Using my same sky windows, I made a periodogram for the 31 HII regions whose RV's were stated to &lt; 1.0 km/s accuracy. (One trio and two duos of regions were so close in position and RV, that I merged them, netting 27 regions.) Then I augmented these by including the 22 regions whose RV's were less accurate, and made another periodogram. The...most valid [peak was] 2.36 ... km/s.


My determination of Barbarossa's orbit, early this year, showed that Barbarossa's (scalar) speed relative to the Sun, at the last sky survey detection point, 1997.2 AD, was 2.4044 km/s; and at the latus rectum, 2003.9 AD, was 2.3900 km/s. By extrapolation, Barbarossa's speed is 2.3650 km/s at 2015.5 AD and 2.3550 km/s at 2020.2 AD.

Tifft's small extragalactic redshift quanta varied somewhat with type of galaxy and with location, so redshift quanta of gas clouds in our own sector of our own galaxy might tell us more about our local ether. Tifft's most definite small extragalactic redshift quanta were 2.31 and 2.88 km/s (Tifft, ApJ 485:465-483, 1997; pp. 467b, 473a).

Instead of having, near the latus rectum, a tiny critical radial acceleration that is some small multiple of the Hubble parameter times the speed of light, Barbarossa might have a critical speed that equals the local small Tifft quantum. The catastrophe might be like a sonic boom in the ether. Halley's comet already has slowed to 2.19 km/s, so it's too late to look at it to see if anything happened to it when its speed slowed to 2.36 km/s.

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15 years 2 months ago #23172 by Joe Keller
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D&M Pyramid Gives Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune Planet Angles for 2012

Above, I remark that the angle equations JUS=JNS, etc., which should be satisfied if the four points lie on a circle, are most nearly satisfied (according to the online JPL ephemeris) at 16h GMT, Dec. 26, 2012. The three smallest angles that arise, are 23.13, 29.73, and 31.19deg.

There are twelve angles in all, but on a circle these have to be equal in pairs, leaving only six independent angles. The three biggest of the independent angles, are functions of the three smallest (or vice versa). So essentially, these three angles describe the configuration of our giant planets at Dec. 26, 2012.

The three angles are twice as big (Euclid III.20), if subtended from the center of the circle (not the Sun) instead of the middle of the three listed planets: i.e., J-Center-S instead of J-N-S. Thus they become 46.26, 59.46, and 62.38 deg, resp.

At least roughly, these are the angles found at the bases of the triangles that compose the D & M pyramid at the Cydonia region of Mars. According to the estimate of professional cartographer Torun, the bases of the top triangles are 60deg, of the middle triangles about 49.6 +/- 0.2 or 45.1 +/- 0.2, and the bases of the bottom triangle 55.3 +/- 0.2 deg.

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15 years 2 months ago #23848 by Joe Keller
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2012: Sonic Boom in Ether? (cont.)

For the entire data set of Blitz et al, 1982, the highest periodogram peaks, for the 194 data points I used, found in the interval between 1.5 & 3.5 km/s, are, from highest to lowest, 3.22, 2.87 and 2.35 km/s. One of these is near Tifft's generally strongest period in this range, 2.88 km/s. My 2.35 period is near another found by Tifft in his extragalactic studies, namely 2.31 (see yesterday's post).

I broke Blitz's Table A into two parts:

1. The middle three, of Table A's seven pages. These cover roughly the nine clock hours from RA 20h, counterclockwise to RA 5h, and include 85 points. Using these alone, the 2.350 km/s periodogram peak was found instead at 2.406 and was rather low.

2. The first two and last two, of the seven pages. These basically amount to 16h to 20h, and 5h to 9h. (Because the galactic north pole is at almost 13h RA, Blitz et al, based in the northern hemisphere, hardly could observe clouds between 9h & 16h.) These include 109 points. Using these alone, the 2.350 peak was found instead at 2.324.


The regional difference, in the period, of at least 0.08 km/s, causes the result to be too inaccurate to predict the date of Barbarossa's "sonic boom" with assurance. If the regional difference is due to the relationship between the galactic and ecliptic planes, then the seven missing clock hours from 9h to 16h, would have increased the result 7/9 as much as the nine clock hours from 20h to 5h, giving the estimate:

2.324 + (2.350 - 2.324) * (1 + 7/9) = 2.370 km/s

Barbarossa achieves this speed, relative to the sun (composition of radial and tangential speeds) at:

2003.9 + (2.390-2.370) / ((2.4044-2.3900)/(2003.9-1997.2))

= 2013.2 AD.

Details of handling the data. Blitz's Table A, ApJ Supp 1982, gives carbon monoxide radial velocities in HII interstellar clouds within a few kiloparsec of the Sun, in our galaxy. For eight points, the association, of the CO line with the HII cloud, was uncertain; Blitz gave these in parentheses. I didn't use these: I wanted a homogeneous data set without special objects.

I used all the remaining 194 points. One point, #93, was missing its one-sigma error; I attributed to it the error of a similar nearby point, #97.

The points included two pairs of twins (#81&82, #172&173) and one set of quadruplets (#153-156), i.e. clouds at almost the same coordinates (adjacent in the Table) with identical radial velocities and one-sigma values. I effectively merged a pair, or a quadruple, into one, by halving or quartering the weight of each point, and dividing the one-sigma value by sqrt(2) or sqrt(4). This procedure affected the result by only 0.001 km/s.

Lastly, I replaced each point by ten points, one at each of the 5th, 15th, 25th,...,95th percentile values assuming a normal distribution about its central value, with the given sigma. This was my way of accounting for the much greater sigma of some points.

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