My pareidolia knows no bounds.

i really like that "Lila" was taken with an inexpensive (under $100) camera.

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<br />I'm referring to when I first noticed them.
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Once you know it's there, you definitely can see the upside down head. The "Profile Girl" (Nefertiti) is upside down in the non-map projected image. I didn't know about the non-map projected image when Neil and I did our paper on "The First Family". We were using the map projected images where she was right-side up (and presumably where J.P. Levasseur found her).

One day I had a reason to download a non-map projected image strip in that area, I think to see what was near the girl. Anyway, at first I didn't realize it was upside down and I was having a hard time finding her, but eventually <i><b>whamm! </b></i>there she was, upside down.

So you can see them, just like if you turn a picture upside down, but <i><b>finding </b></i> them in the first place, doesn't seem to be something that happened very often, if at all.

rd

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<br />i really like that "Lila" was taken with an inexpensive (under $100) camera.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> I wouldn't think a good camera helps in finding pareidolic images in shadows. The more we do with the brain after the fact, the greater the detail.

rd

I agree. In a way though, I kind of wish you were here all along when this debate was raging and Tom, Neil, Jrich, and others were all discussing these things you're seeing in real time. That way you would have had a better understanding of the fact that you're not producing anything new, but rather going over the whole debate all over again.

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Ahh yes, the power of precedence "we've seen it all before, we know all...and you have nothing to offer new"! The need to satisfy your dissonance brings forth a formidable ally.

Even though we have only imaged 1/10 of one percent of the Martian surface....Rich...you've seen it all, right?

How precious.

Best.....


Malcolm Scott

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<br />Even though we have only imaged 1/10 of one percent of the Martian surface....Rich...you've seen it all, right?

Malcolm Scott
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1/10 of one percent? No way!

Have you ever used the Browse Map?

www.uahirise.org/hiwish/browse

Zoom in 4 steps, and then click on MOC in lower right. Then browse around Mars and peruse the vast number of images we've been pouring through, dating back to the late 90s.

Having said that though, you really don't need to look at a vast number of images, as long as your selection is truly random. That's how "standard deviation" works. You don't need to look at the whole population, only a small sample. 30 is the magic number.

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Say there were 50,000,000 people in the country whose opinion on one issue we were interested in "polling". How many would you have to ask, to get an accurate (2 sigma) reading?

All 50,000,000?

10,000,000?

5,000?

How about 30?

As long as you design the experiment such that you're truly asking a random sample, you will come within 2 standard deviations of the actual answer (that you would get by asking all 50,000,000) simply by asking 30 people.

rd

Malcolm, have you ever tried showing some of your stuff to people who know nothing about this issue, and explained to them why you think what you're seeing represents the workings of an intelligent alien life form?

What kind of reaction did you get?

Have you ever tried writing a paper on the subject? Something that could be submitted for peer review? That's pretty much what it would take for you to find out what the consensus is.

rd