Properties of elysons and of the elysium

[JR] "It seems prudent to reexamine some of the assumptions about light to see if we aren't following a dead end."

Reexamining a starting point (engineers call it "doing a sanity check") is always in order. And it usually works best when performed by (a) separate brain(s). Thank you.

As I continue my exposition don't hesitate to bring up anything that bothers you, or isn't clear. I'm pretty sure I have all my ducks lined up, but ...

LB

LB] "If electrons are below the critical size/density range that results in a particle's surface gravitational force field becomming repulsive rather than attractive, then all particles smaller than electrons (but larger than gravitons, obviously) should also have very strong and repulsive surface gravity fields."

[tvf] "Probably not. Gravitational shielding sets in, and gravitational fields would then be prevented from increasing further in strength at smaller scales. The same must be true for elyson density, which might be anything."

(Probably ... that means I still have some wiggle room ... )

Good points. I had not spent any time factoring them in to my ideas until now. We do not yet know where shielding "kicks in". Nor do we know yet what elyson density is relative to this shielding property.

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Would you agree that the surface gravity of an elyson is at least as strong (whether repulsive or attractive) as the surface gravity of an electron, and probably but not necessarily stronger?
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Potentially more of a problem for my idea than field strength however is the energy content of that field. If elyson density is high enough to block most/all gravitons, then there are two cases to consider:

1) So many gravitons are reflected that internal heating is reduced and elysons do not get hot like electrons. This means that their surface gravity, although strong, is going to be attractive rather than repulsive.

2) Enough gravitons are absorbed that internal heating does occur and elysons do heat up like electrons, perhaps more. This means that their surface gravity is going to be repulsive, like electrons.

(There are probably some in between cases with elyson gravity fields that might not be very strong. At this time my model depends on this field being strong and repulsive.)

If reality is more like case 2 then my idea still has some legs. This is where knowledge of the internal structure of elysons might be handy, but for now we can only speculate. If Don's ideas about that pan out it could help resolve this issue.

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Would you agree that a strong and repulsive surface gravity for elysons is not ruled out at this time?
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LB

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>

... So many gravitons are reflected that internal heating is reduced and elysons do not get hot like electrons. This means that their surface gravity, although strong, is going to be attractive rather than repulsive. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Would the reflected gravitons cause a surface pressure on the elysons and thus cause them to heat up? I can also visualize cooling where the elyson would give up some thermal energy to a reflecting graviton.

JR

My current understanding of the heating process is that it is caused by absorbtion of gravitons.

When gravitons are reflected (from the now very hot elyson) the do gain energy as you suggest. That energy not only cools the elyson but causes the graviton to leave with more speed than it had on arrival. These faster gravitons cause the same effect on surrounding matter as would more gravitons, and this is why electrons (and if I'm right, elysons) are thought to have repulsive surface gravity.

LB

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br />My current understanding of the heating process is that it is caused by absorbtion of gravitons.

When gravitons are reflected (from the now very hot elyson) the do gain energy as you suggest. That energy not only cools the elyson but causes the graviton to leave with more speed than it had on arrival. These faster gravitons cause the same effect on surrounding matter as would more gravitons, and this is why electrons (and if I'm right, elysons) are thought to have repulsive surface gravity.

LB
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I don't think graviton absorbtion by elysons can have any significant role in their heating because any gravitons absorbed will eventually be emitted. Also, if they are able to cool down by giving some momentum back to the gravitons, then they must also by able to heat up by the reverse process <b>unless</b> the elysons are always hotter than the equilibrium temperature. That extra energy must come from somewhere and it can't be from the gravitons so it must either come from normal matter or some other particle whose existence and role we haven't comtemplated yet. If it comes from normal matter some of the energy would be the transverse light wave energy lost to the elysium. As I believe Tom talks about in his book the flow of energy is from the elysium to the gravitons in order to balance the flow of energy from the gravitons to normal matter. So energy must flow from normal matter to the elysons via one or more mechanisms.

JR

[JR] " ... any gravitons absorbed will eventually be emitted."

Acordign to MM, in normal matter the "eventual emission" of the energy from absorbed gravitons is explosive and most likely is the cause of what we call radioactivity. Elysons might or might not behave the same way.

Atomic nucleii (IOW, protons and neutrons) are known to be radioactive, but electrons are not. If energy absorbtion and eventual re-emission really is the cause of radioactivity, the difference might be due to the smaller size of electrons. The cube/square law [1] suggests the possibility that if something is small enough it might not be able to get hot enough to go pop.

LB

[1] The smaller something is, the more surface area it has per unit mass. This is great for radiating internal heat. But what would "radiation" mean at that scale? Or "heat"? Probably something similar to what they mean at larger scales, but also probably not the same.