<u>[LB] “a) You do mean the spherical pressure gradient of elysium that surrounds and moves with and is centered on each mass and that is caused by the interaction of gravitons with matter and elysium.</u>
<b>[tvf] “Correct. . Elysium is flowing past with whatever speed and direction, ... ”</b>
I find it interesting that you prefer looking at the situation this way. That perspective is useful for working on many specific problems, but I generally prefer to look at it as the elysium being “stationary” with various masses (such as my left thumbnail, Sol, Earth and Andromeda) moving through it. To me this perspective seems more “global” or “universal”.
Now that I think about it, however, I guess this is just a personal bias. I think over the years I’ve developed a suspicious attitude towards “local” perspectives. But that is not a defect in the perspective, it is a defect in how people have used the perspective.
<b>[tvf] “... but the local pressure bubble ignores that motion and maintains a constant state of elysium pressure varying inversely with distance from each mass locally.</b>
Check.
<b>[tvf] “The force of gravity controls each local bubble, and the 1-2 kpc range applies.”</b>
Check (and note range adjustment from 2 or 3 kpc to 1 or 2 kpc)
<b>[tvf] “This is loosely analogous to a planetary atmosphere, where the local barometric pressure depends on local forces but not on wind speed or direction.“</b>
Check. Hmmm.
Move this analogy to an underwater scenario (so that we are dealing with a medium that is mostly non-compressible). Then the local “hydrometric” pressure depends on local forces but not on water current speed or direction.
Since water is essentially non-compressible, sound waves propagate as pressure variations. Sound waves in water are known to be affected by the speed and direction of the bulk flow (sonar operators must-contend-with / can-make-use-of all known Doppler effects in their daily activities).
Please note - pressure waves are not different from density waves wrt the bulk flow of their medium. Referring to the gravity generated elysium bubble around a mass as a “wave” may be what is leading you down this blind canyon. As you can see, I prefer to call these things bubbles, or zones.
There is a type of wave that might be somewhat analogous to the elysium bubble, the so called soliton wave. Surface solitons in water behave differently from normal surface waves, but the analogy is limited because they are still a pure energy phenomenon with no “central particle” moving in or on the medium to create them. And I believe they are influenced by the medium’s flow properties.
<u>[LB] “b) You do not mean ordinary EM waves, such as radio or visible light.”</u>
<b>[tvf] “I think I do mean those waves also, because I now think they are pressure waves and not normal density waves in the elysium itself.”</b>
Whether waves in elysium propagate primarily as pressure variations or as density variations, I suspect that the concept of “normal” will eventually be found to be hard to apply across the board.
<b>[tvf] “Normal elysium density waves would be forced to participate in the local bulk flow, unlike EM waves.”</b>
EM waves must participate in the local bulk flow of elysium, because <u>all wave phenomena must participate in the bulk flow of their respective mediia</u>. This is part of the definition of the concept of wave phenomena, isn’t it?
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On what basis do you assert that EM waves behave differently? (I’ll guess that it is the observed lack of “aether” drift from, for example, MMX and GPS.)
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<b>[tvf] “The speed of the pressure waves depends on local pressure, which is analogous to local gravitational potential (not force).</b>
Check (and check) This also affects the speed of density waves.
<b>[tvf] “Pressure waves slow near masses where potential is stronger.”</b>
Check. More pressure means higher density, and wave speed is inversely proportional to the density of the medium. It is also directly proportional to the stiffness of the medium.[1]
<b>[tvf] “However, the range limit that applies to potential is much greater than that for force, and cosmological redshift is the result of the decay of EM pressure waves.”</b>
Yes, and no. This gets complicated, and I see a need to distinguish between the volume (singular) of The Local Mass of elysium[2] and the volumes (plural) of all of the various elysium bubbles that are associated with each normal matter mass within the Local Mass of elysium.
The volume[3] of the “local” mass of elysium is larger (probably much larger) than the volume of the currently visible universe.
But ...
... the elysium bubble (and the 1/r potential field) of each particular normal matter mass must be limited by the range of the 1/r^2 force field for that same mass, mustn’t it? The potential field of a particular mass cannot extend farther than the force field of that same mass, because each mass’s potential field (elysium bubble) is generated by its force field.
<b>[tvf] “If the pressure model doesn't work for both situations, then this whole hypothesis may need to be canned.”</b>
(By “both situations”, I presume you mean [a] the gravity driven elysium bubble, and normal EM waves.)
I do think it works very well in the case of elysium potential bubbles. I don’t think it works in the case of EM waves. But discarding everything about this idea (that a <type of> wave can move independently of its medium) might be a little premature. Since “normal” may not apply in every sense to elysium waves, there is always room for new discoveries.
Until we can actually detect elysons, however, such speculations will have to remain an open question. In the mean time, there is another way to explain things.
LB
[1] Stiffness rules. The speed of sound in steel is higher than in water. But steel is more dense than water, so shouldn't the speed be lower?. This paradox is resolved by the fact that the stiffness of steel has a stronger influence than the density of steel. If water and steel had the same stiffness, the speed of sound in water would be higher than in steel, because steel is more dense.
[2] There are probably other masses of elysium elsewhere in the overall universe, which we might refer to as “distant” or “remote” masses of elysium, that are not connected to the mass we live in.
[3] This local volume of elysium will be more or less spherical, and it will have a center and a radius and a “surface”. The pressure within this local volume of elysium (driven by the action of gravitons) will be greater near the center and lesser near the surface. If we ever do find the surface of the local elysium mass, then that will define the limit of the “visible” universe. More on this later.
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] A low intensity field makes high frequency waves behave like particles, i.e. they have particle entropy rather than wave entropy. A light speed graviton is a low intensity field inside of an even lower intensity ftl field, it behaves like a particle.