Physical Axioms and Attractive Forces

I think ice would be the favourite. If we take a very fine magnesium pipe, fill it with water and put a low voltage, high frequency through it, then the water will flow in the pipe. This is because the surface atoms of the water have a hydrogen atom which has been s*****ed almost bare of its electron charge by the greedy oxygen atom. Now ice is a protonic semiconductor. I think that we don't need ice to pull off the trick, as the magnesium forces the water into a high temperature i.e. room temperature, ice configuration. Actually the magnesium sometimes looks like neon.

The voltage rotates the hydrogen bare proton and the ice configuration. but at 180 degrees the configuration breaks down and the hydrogen protons become rather noble for an instant.. So it's something like a lot of sticky, then unsticky feet walking along the pipe.

I think this has promise for research. Another one to take a look at would be the amonia maser. We tend to look at models where it's the nitrogen atom that moves back and forth but really it's the lighter hydrogen atoms doing most of the movement.

(edited) Hmm... Every half revolution of the hydrogen "proton" we get a Casimir tube.

In regards to this older post (and others)...

"And no, I'm not satisfied with this either. But I think we need to look closely at the wave propagation mechanism to understand better why things behave as they do. Specifically, the key probably lies in a more detailed understanding of why motion of a body through elysium and increased gravitational potential produce essentially identical effects on the electromagnetic waves in the body (e.g., its clock oscillations). -|Tom|-

...I thought this might be relevant:

From [url] www.keelynet.com/spider/b-105e.htm [/url]

"In the Summer of 1990, a series of experiments with acoustic standing waves was carried out. In the experiments, it was reliably ascertained, that, when the wind velocity increased relative to a motionless irradiator of sound vibrations and a mirror, it was found that compression of the standing wave packet occurs."

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by David_W</i>
<br />I thought this might be relevant<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I for one am satisfied that the speed of any wave generated by disturbing a medium will be affected by the speed of the medium. However, this only sharpens the contrast between density effects vs. pressure effects on elysium.

My argument (as it has evolved) is that, if we change the density of the medium, that affects the speed of waves relative to the bulk flow of the medium. But elysium waves are not affected by bulk flow speed. So we need another explanation, and pressure waves seem to be it. If we have a periodic variation in pressure as applied to local elysium, that must produce a pressure wave that doesn't care a bit how fast the bulk flow is. And if the pressure wave is generated by gravitons, it can be expected to maintain its coherence over vast distances.

In its simplest form, if we push on the elysium ocean, a wave spreads from that point outward. If elysium were compressible, friction would soon make that wave respond to the bulk flow. If elysium is (almost) incompressible, then the momentum of the original wave will not be altered by friction and will spread to great distances without being affected by bulk flow. Conservation of momentum requires no less.

I think. -|Tom|-

Friction may not occur between elysium if no charges are involved. Perhaps friction is nothing more than two or more charges interfering destructively against their mutual motions. If elysium collides (like an ideal gas) than conservation of momentum is observed.

Like Tom, I think...



Mark Vitrone

[tvf] “ ... if the pressure wave is generated by gravitons, it can be expected to maintain its coherence over vast distances.”

When you say the words “ ... pressure wave &lt;in elysium&gt; generated by gravitons ... “, I presume two things:

a) You do mean the spherical pressure gradient of elysium that surrounds and moves with and is centered on each mass and that is caused by the interaction of gravitons with matter and elysium. The radius of this elysium pressure bubble is about 2 to 3 kiloparsecs. It is the physical embodyment of the gravitational potential field for each mass.

b) You do not mean ordinary EM waves, such as radio or visible light.

Please correct me if I am mistaken.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br />When you say the words “ ... pressure wave &lt;in elysium&gt; generated by gravitons ... “, I presume two things:

a) You do mean the spherical pressure gradient of elysium that surrounds and moves with and is centered on each mass and that is caused by the interaction of gravitons with matter and elysium. The radius of this elysium pressure bubble is about 2 to 3 kiloparsecs. It is the physical embodyment of the gravitational potential field for each mass.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Correct. Elysium is flowing past with whatever speed and direction, but the local pressure bubble ignores that motion and maintains a constant state of elysium pressure varying inversely with distance from each mass locally. The force of gravity controls each local bubble, and the 1-2 kpc range applies. This is loosely analogous to a planetary atmosphere, where the local barometric pressure depends on local forces but not on wind speed or direction.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">b) You do not mean ordinary EM waves, such as radio or visible light.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I think I do mean those waves also, because I now think they are pressure waves and not normal density waves in the elysium itself. Normal elysium density waves would be forced to participate in the local bulk flow, unlike EM waves. The speed of the pressure waves depends on local pressure, which is analogous to local gravitational potential (not force). Pressure waves slow near masses where potential is stronger. However, the range limit that applies to potential is much greater than that for force, and cosmological redshift is the result of the decay of EM pressure waves.

If the pressure model doesn't work for both situations, then this whole hypothesis may need to be canned. -|Tom|-