<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by jrich</i><br />I hate to burst your bubble, but eternal existence lends no support to your theory.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">My bubble remains intact. Eternal existence is supported by the theory - not visa versa.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> I refer to theories like yours as "Accounting Theories". <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Yes, T.O.R. IS, of course, an 'accounting theory' - it 'accounts' for <i>existence</i> by illustrating that the phenomenon of existence is reconciled with the rules of logic via a principle - not a process. How would you account for the phenomenon without accounting for it?
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Popular versions claimed that by showing that some finite universe model was consistent with the 2nd Law, that creation ex nihilo was possible. Your theory seems to be an infinite universe version. You've replaced finite with infinite, <b>real nothing with logical nothing,. . .</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Logic requires definition and infinity is undefined, so it does not play well in a logical argument, BUT the concept of BOTH real and logical nothing is presented in the theory -
Consider the fractions 1/2 and 1/999,999,999,999,999. If the numerator of a fraction is finite, then regardless how large that numerator is, the ratio approaches Zero as the denominator ‘approaches' infinity. Relative to the Universe any finite value (size, distance, etc) compared to infinity yields a quotient of Zero.
Using any given point in space as an X,Y,Z axis, one may theoretically extend equidistant lines to infinity throughout the spectrum of polar coordinates. The procedure inscribes a sphere which theoretically encompasses the Universe. By definition, the selected point is the center of that sphere - and the center of the Universe. Since the same can be done for all points in the Universe, every point in the cosmos is its center - within the abstract of infinity.
If for every QUALitative value within each entity there is a reciprocal, then within the abstract of infinity each entity has no quality, size or position. They are - relative to infinity - 'Real' nothing.
Only in the relative or 'logical' realm, are they the <i>equivalent</i> of Ø - logical nothing.
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. . . creation ex nihilo with existence ex nihilo, but the essense is the same. The claim is that not only is the universe balanced, but that this balance point, this nothing, is more than just a summation or accounting, it is the source of existence.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Actually the claim is that reciprocal balance is the 'source' or basis of logic and logic is engendered by the nature of existence . . . which is natural balance.
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This assertion that relation means causation is a common logical fallacy.
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The entire premise of T.O.Reciprocity is that existence is NOT caused.
