What Really Exists Outside The Universe

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rousejohnny</i>
<br />Since we are discussing weather our particular system or "universe" has a shape, I would like to present a visualization.

A sphere spinning, from any point on the surface of the sphere pull the surface "down" through the center to the opposite point of the sphere maintaining a straight line. Combined with the spin you create a funnel shaped horned system which I believe is the shape of our "Universe".
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You mean similar to a black hole?

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by skywalcore</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rousejohnny</i>
<br />Since we are discussing weather our particular system or "universe" has a shape, I would like to present a visualization.

A sphere spinning, from any point on the surface of the sphere pull the surface "down" through the center to the opposite point of the sphere maintaining a straight line. Combined with the spin you create a funnel shaped horned system which I believe is the shape of our "Universe".
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You mean similar to a black hole?
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In similarity only. Different beginnings. I see the BB as a decay of a homogenous neutrally charged....well energy field (forgive me Tom). It was a chain reaction. To make a long story short, the decay was spherical with opposite forces on opposite hemispheres. The charges start attracting and mass condensing, "vacuuming" and spinnig. It was more dense in the center of the sphere...A spinning ball. This center mass needed a more stable place with least density, so it moved to the edge of the sphere. There is your horned funnel. And the dark energy thing, just big gravity pulling down an ever smaller hole.

German astronomer Karl Schwarzschild discovered that a black hole's event horizon has a spherical shape. I wonder if the triple point in my theory may actually be a super-massive black hole...

Following this logic:
If a star is above a certain mass, it becomes a black hole when it explodes.

If a universe [consisting of an enourmous and up to now, only a primitivly estimated number], joins with others at the triple point, then that mass is so much greater than that of a star, which would not only create a black hole, but a black hole that is more massive that a normal black hole. This causes a "Big Bang".

What if, when a black hole exceeds a certain "relative size", then it simply explodes instead of evaporating.
Just as, when the star exceeds a certain "relative size", it becomes a black hole.

A black holes matter does not reach a critical mass within. Because in such pressures and speeds the matter losses all molecular and quantum structure and is converted into pure energy and an equal quantum level. I think some version of Bose-Einstein Condensation kicks in at this time. There would be no structure to break down that would generate an explosion. I think there may be a point before you reach the center of a black hole where there is no gravity at all, but nothing can escape it, not for long anyways.

"Why do you impose a shape on the universe?"
If you started from no coherance and pushed from the edges, thats the shape you would get.
Why do you impose mathmatics on the universe?
For it is only a descriptor of discoveries.

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<br />"Why do you impose a shape on the universe?"
If you started from no coherance and pushed from the edges, thats the shape you would get.
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The general stance on this board seems to be that the universe is infinite, which would render it quite difficult to give it any shape at all. Of course, if the universe is finite then a shape for the universe follows almost trivially (i.e. one could measure cross sections).

Frankly, I would be seriously disappointed if the universe turned out to be finite, but then again, the cosmos does not exist to merely please us...