Questioning Fundamentals

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by north</i>
<br />Occam's Razor,okay,meaning what exactly?(no clue as to what you are talking about).<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Occam's Razor, meaning "don't invent unneeded hypotheses". MM argues that "empty space" is populated by elysons, gravitons, and ever smaller media. These are as necessary as are unseen galaxies in an infinite universe, because scale in MM is infinite. -|Tom|-

Tom,

Is it possible that the Universe COULD be closed by electromagnetism. I am not arguing that our "Universe" is the only system that exist and I do acknowledge the real possibilities of philosophical skepticism and the "blade of grass" concept. But wouldn't MM require that just as our solar system, galaxy and galaxy clusters are closed, that on a much larger level that there is an additional closure on a "Universal" level. Further, wouldn't MM also be required to solve the quantum/meta problem in order to be viable. Either quantum scale forces must be gravitational or Meta be electrical and nuclear. If these ideas cannot be solve would there not have to be a logorhythm to define both higher and lower scales of matter differ in order for MM to ever be acceptable. I know you have probable been though this countless times, but please humor me.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rousejohnny</i>
<br />Is it possible that the Universe COULD be closed by electromagnetism. I am not arguing that our "Universe" is the only system that exist...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">My definition of "universe" is "everything that exists". So no, in MM it logically could not be closed.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">But wouldn't MM require that just as our solar system, galaxy and galaxy clusters are closed, that on a much larger level that there is an additional closure on a "Universal" level.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes, there must be closure of a "meta-galaxy" level, then on a "super-meta-galaxy" level, and so on to infinity. But the universe cannot be closed. This is analogous to all forms (or integers) being finite but the set of all forms (or integers) being infinite.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Either quantum scale forces must be gravitational or Meta be electrical and nuclear.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Inasmuch as there must be an infinite number of media in an infinite range of scales, there must also be an infinite number of fundamental forces. It is interesting that we can now observe a broad-enough range of scales to see four fundamental forces operating. -|Tom|-

EBTX, The universe is made of protons and they are what stars and galaxies are made of. All elements are protons. So, what do you mean?

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">EBTX, The universe is made of protons and they are what stars and galaxies are made of. All elements are protons. So, what do you mean?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
You're losing me there ... try this ...

Each proton has a spherical field around it. This field combines with other such fields destructively or constructively. The field representing empty space is flat Euclidean and also combines with the other fields.

Now, I am conjecturing that when protons are spread out maximally, the Euclidean field is stretched by having to "weave" its way around each bit of matter. When the matter is all clumped up, it relaxes the stretching and so provides an energy gradient down which matter is pushed into ever greater concentrations. So, we have standard gravity pulling as well as another force pushing matter together which scales up with the amount of empty space between large "clumps" of matter.

If you crumple up and then unfold a dollar bill thousands of times, it will shrink due to the number of microfolds put in it. My brother did this and got one miniaturized to about 1"x3". Now, if the dollar was changed to rubber and you stretched it back to its original dimensions, it would be under considerable tension. As you remove the microfolds, that tension is relieved. Clumping matter is equivalent to removing the microfolds in the Euclidean reference frame and replacing them with one big fold ... which would (in theory) create less tension than all the microfolds that produced it.

So, the pull aspect of gravity would be dominant close by and the other "push" force would dominate over larger ranges since it scales up with the volume of space.