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16 years 9 months ago #12879 by Tommy
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My complaint is directed at those who lie or distort in the name of science. But then the advantage of science is that we can find those lies out. ... THe Black Hole. ... In essense the falsification has become the proof.


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((JMB) I am not sure it is always a falsification,
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At first glance, observing matter flowing outward from a galactic source would appear to be contrary to the predicted attraction of matter to that source. Thus, at first glance, outflowing matter is a falsification of an extreme gravity source. Today, according to the press, a sighting of a tremendous outflowing of matter from a source proves that a black hole resides there. So in this sense, what would constitute a falsification from a certain perspective, is being used as a proof from a different perspective. I'm stating all this just as an illustration of how science can be confusing. Because one of the authors of the black hole theory and the one developing the accretion disk theory stated that it is the only mechanism they could come up with to explain what is being observed.

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16 years 9 months ago #12880 by Tommy
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Dale wrote
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">In this alternative theory its the quantum vacuum or zero point energy puts matter in its place so that space can exist.In other words if you could deplete and or shield all of the zero point energy away from a particle then that particle would swell up and also display a faster time.
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Interesting thought. But is there such a thing as time? If we were to take a snapshot of a now moment, would we be able to isolate time? Isn't time merely a measurement of a this time to that time, a distance betwee two now moments? After all, it is common knowledge that when we act in the now, wnen we are lost in the now, we lose a sense of time, so maybe there s no such thing as time? That time is a conceptual construct existing only in our theories?

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16 years 9 months ago #13618 by JMB
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Tommy</i>
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.My point about the black hole is simply that what we observe is outflowing matter. But the black hole should be pulling matter in.
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The theory of blackholes is far from being reliable. There is no clear relation between the redshifts and the speeds, Doppler effect being a minor contributor in presence of atomic hydrogen.

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16 years 9 months ago #12742 by Tommy
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tommy

.My point about the black hole is simply that what we observe is outflowing matter. But the black hole should be pulling matter in.




(JMB)The theory of blackholes is far from being reliable. There is no clear relation between the redshifts and the speeds, Doppler effect being a minor contributor in presence of atomic hydrogen.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

It just doesn't make any sense. Why do they spend so much time inventing impossible physics, invisible matter, and a universe that came from nothing instead of opening up their eyes and seeing matter coming from the center of a galaxy which explains very easily and simply everything that we actually observe? And all because some guy said "What would happen if we put "c" into Hubbles equation?" What happened is called a Bushfact. BU-ll SH-it

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16 years 9 months ago #19863 by ultranerd
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Tommy</i>
<br />Dale wrote
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">In this alternative theory its the quantum vacuum or zero point energy puts matter in its place so that space can exist.In other words if you could deplete and or shield all of the zero point energy away from a particle then that particle would swell up and also display a faster time.
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Interesting thought. But is there such a thing as time? If we were to take a snapshot of a now moment, would we be able to isolate time? Isn't time merely a measurement of a this time to that time, a distance betwee two now moments? After all, it is common knowledge that when we act in the now, wnen we are lost in the now, we lose a sense of time, so maybe there s no such thing as time? That time is a conceptual construct existing only in our theories?
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If it can be understood its science.
I have a saying.
Any illusion done well enough becomes reality.


For the other posters asking about black holes giving off energy its interesting to examine how this alternative theory predicts white holes. Note that even white holes can appear dark in this theory if nothing from the reverse side falls into them.
It gives some predictions on what would be observed if you approached
a regular run of the mill black hole.
The 3m level where light is in principle bent enough that it can make
a complete orbit, is also predicted in this theory to actually be a
flat surface.
Tried to model how a hypothetical space ship could
measure the curving light beam as it traveled around the black hole
and through the space ship,could he observe the curving of the light
beam and if not why. A possible answer is that anything our astronaut
could use would become distorted, actually strength objects would
become curved to match the light path.Turning the ruler over would
only reverse the curving if this were so. But even this would require
matter
contraction on the lower side of the ruler.
If true and our astronaut rulers continue to distort as he goes deeper
and remember to him they are actually still straight, the continuing
curving of his tools "to him are straight" will eventually make the
hypothetical event horizon appear to
reverse becoming a white hole that to him now curves inwards.Note that
this event horizon now contains a universe larger than the total white
hole surface area is now able too contain.
Remember how some of our present day predictions for how the most
distant
possible views from a super hypothetical telescope would see our most
early
universe. It would be small patches located at different points also
oddly matching this prediction.
These predicted white holes would have repulsive gravity but in
reality its a bit like saying
the sky has repulsive gravity.They would be very odd in that while
they will
appear in different locations in our universe if you got up close
to one it would reveal itself to actually only be the one object.
A really really interesting prediction is that the surfaces would work
just like those predictions given for wormholes.Shortcuts to other
locations in our
universe.Its also a possible thought that we should get the equivalent
of cosmic rays from white holes
as Doppler shifted light or other radiation that randomly falls from
the previous universe into our universe from white holes.

Sorry about this part being even more speculative but
This theory also predicts white holes and while finding them might be
a bit hard in principle finding none will disprove the theory

Dale

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16 years 9 months ago #12891 by ultranerd
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<i>Originally posted by ultranerd</i>
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<i>Originally posted by Tommy</i>
<br />Dale wrote

In this alternative theory its the quantum vacuum or zero point energy puts matter in its place so that space can exist.In other words
and through the space ship,could he observe the curving of the light
beam and if not why. A possible answer is that anything our astronaut
could use would become distorted, actually ---strength

Spelling error I meant straight not strenght
objects would


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