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20 years 9 months ago #8431
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Man Wearing Beret
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Interesting dome-structures in this clip, an unusual squared dome in the upper left area and the two domes in the upper right appear to have the faint imprint of faces on them.
A rather amazing detail can be found on dome to the lower bottom area of the image. Directly opposite the red arrow there appears to be the head of man wearing a beret, the effect is somewhat military as the beret appears to have an emblem or insignia on the front of it.
This is a small detail best viewed with magnification. Additionally, it looks like there are some letters or combination of letters and numbers starting just to the right of the man's head.
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Man Wearing Beret
M0202654, enlarged clip
Interesting dome-structures in this clip, an unusual squared dome in the upper left area and the two domes in the upper right appear to have the faint imprint of faces on them.
A rather amazing detail can be found on dome to the lower bottom area of the image. Directly opposite the red arrow there appears to be the head of man wearing a beret, the effect is somewhat military as the beret appears to have an emblem or insignia on the front of it.
This is a small detail best viewed with magnification. Additionally, it looks like there are some letters or combination of letters and numbers starting just to the right of the man's head.
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20 years 9 months ago #8432
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Face with Hand Dome
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These domes look to me as if they were constructed as habitats. Some of the designs reflect the artistic and humourous sensibilities of their builders. I have found many domes with designs or markings on top. Some are so brightly illuminated around the edges that they appear to be emitting this brilliance from an artificial light source. Or perhaps the sides of some of the domes contain highly reflective glass (as Richard Hoagland and Keith Laney have speculated about The Face, having no other way to account for the extreme brilliance that certain areas of The Face emit)
Additionally, areas around the edges of some of the domes look very structured, as if there might be entrances or windows.
What I find especially intriguing are the connections that can be found between some of them. In the grouping to the lower left area of the image several of the domes look like they have covered-tunnel type structures extending out of them and connecting to another dome.
If there is or has been life on Mars dome living would be very suited to the adversities of the planet providing insulation from the radical day/night temperature swings, protection from excessive radiation, possible containment for a more favorable, artificially generated atmosphere and shelter from the lengthy dust storms that sometimes envelope the planet.
My speculation is that there are extensive systems of connected dome structures on Mars, built by a society that learned to survive by making the underground the focus of daily living rather than living life on the surface.
M0202654 enlarged clip
These domes look to me as if they were constructed as habitats. Some of the designs reflect the artistic and humourous sensibilities of their builders. I have found many domes with designs or markings on top. Some are so brightly illuminated around the edges that they appear to be emitting this brilliance from an artificial light source. Or perhaps the sides of some of the domes contain highly reflective glass (as Richard Hoagland and Keith Laney have speculated about The Face, having no other way to account for the extreme brilliance that certain areas of The Face emit)
Additionally, areas around the edges of some of the domes look very structured, as if there might be entrances or windows.
What I find especially intriguing are the connections that can be found between some of them. In the grouping to the lower left area of the image several of the domes look like they have covered-tunnel type structures extending out of them and connecting to another dome.
If there is or has been life on Mars dome living would be very suited to the adversities of the planet providing insulation from the radical day/night temperature swings, protection from excessive radiation, possible containment for a more favorable, artificially generated atmosphere and shelter from the lengthy dust storms that sometimes envelope the planet.
My speculation is that there are extensive systems of connected dome structures on Mars, built by a society that learned to survive by making the underground the focus of daily living rather than living life on the surface.
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20 years 9 months ago #8458
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Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by xterrester</i>
<br />Face with Hand Dome
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These domes look to me as if they were constructed as habitats.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">All MGS images have a depth ambiguity, and features can be seen as either domes or depressions. It is not possible to tell which is real without information on the Sun's direction to determine which way the shadows fall.
Each image has that information on the HTML page with the context image. For this one, the Sun azimuth (see definition by clicking on it) and North azimuth tell us that the Sun is in the west, or left in the map-projected images such as the one you showed. That is normal for most MGS images because the orbit plane was designed to keep the Sun near early afternoon in local time.
With sunlight known to be coming from the left, one can now force one's brain to reverse the depth illusion (for those who see domes). In this image, everything is depressions. -|Tom|-
<br />Face with Hand Dome
M0202654 enlarged clip
These domes look to me as if they were constructed as habitats.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">All MGS images have a depth ambiguity, and features can be seen as either domes or depressions. It is not possible to tell which is real without information on the Sun's direction to determine which way the shadows fall.
Each image has that information on the HTML page with the context image. For this one, the Sun azimuth (see definition by clicking on it) and North azimuth tell us that the Sun is in the west, or left in the map-projected images such as the one you showed. That is normal for most MGS images because the orbit plane was designed to keep the Sun near early afternoon in local time.
With sunlight known to be coming from the left, one can now force one's brain to reverse the depth illusion (for those who see domes). In this image, everything is depressions. -|Tom|-
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20 years 9 months ago #8462
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Tom,
Thank you for your input. I spent some time last night reading up on crater formation and I hope you have time for further discussion on this as I still find certain aspects of whether a formation is a dome or crater perplexing.
Is it possible that what this image is showing is raised areas that I see as domes that are within the craters? (illustrated below) I can definately see that there is a perimeter border where the depressions start (noted as craters edge in the illus.) But then it appears to me that there is a raised area within these depressions.
It looks like the raised areas are being highlighted by sunlight that would be falling from the right because the raised areas within the craters are throwing dark shadows (pointed out in illus.) that I perceive as falling against the crater left walls. Directly above these shadows the crater walls appear to be lit by sunlight that is also falling from the right. If the sunlight were falling from the left wouldn't the crater walls on the left be in shadow starting from where the depression begins at the top edge? I find this issue very confusing visually. I usually have no problem seeing a crater as a crater. But in this case seeing these areas that I perceive as domes to actually be concave is very difficult. I am able to see depression starting at what I believe to be the crater borders but then the terrain at the center of the craters appears to rise into a dome.
So is it possible that these shapes I am seeing as domes are actually raised areas within the craters? Also confusiing to me, if the sunlight were falling from the left then it seems that the right perimeter edges of the craters would be highlighted by the sun, instead the image seems to show exactly the opposite effect.
Thank you for your input. I spent some time last night reading up on crater formation and I hope you have time for further discussion on this as I still find certain aspects of whether a formation is a dome or crater perplexing.
Is it possible that what this image is showing is raised areas that I see as domes that are within the craters? (illustrated below) I can definately see that there is a perimeter border where the depressions start (noted as craters edge in the illus.) But then it appears to me that there is a raised area within these depressions.
It looks like the raised areas are being highlighted by sunlight that would be falling from the right because the raised areas within the craters are throwing dark shadows (pointed out in illus.) that I perceive as falling against the crater left walls. Directly above these shadows the crater walls appear to be lit by sunlight that is also falling from the right. If the sunlight were falling from the left wouldn't the crater walls on the left be in shadow starting from where the depression begins at the top edge? I find this issue very confusing visually. I usually have no problem seeing a crater as a crater. But in this case seeing these areas that I perceive as domes to actually be concave is very difficult. I am able to see depression starting at what I believe to be the crater borders but then the terrain at the center of the craters appears to rise into a dome.
So is it possible that these shapes I am seeing as domes are actually raised areas within the craters? Also confusiing to me, if the sunlight were falling from the left then it seems that the right perimeter edges of the craters would be highlighted by the sun, instead the image seems to show exactly the opposite effect.
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20 years 9 months ago #8464
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Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by xterrester</i>
<br />So is it possible that these shapes I am seeing as domes are actually raised areas within the craters?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">It's about as possible as a unanimous vote in the U.N. The image data is at this link:
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0202654.html
Click on each title, such as "Sun Azimuth" and "North Azimuth", and study the definitions. You will see that, in the map-projected images, north is up and the Sun is in the west (left). About that, there is no ambiguity.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">... seeing these areas that I perceive as domes to actually be concave is very difficult.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Every MGS image has depth ambiguity. If you can't see them all both ways, I recommend more practice. This kind of mental swirch is known to be easier for some than for others, but practice helps.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Also confusing to me, if the sunlight were falling from the left then it seems that the right perimeter edges of the craters would be highlighted by the sun, instead the image seems to show exactly the opposite effect.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I see craters with raised rims. It works just as well visually, and is mandated by the Sun Azimuth data. -|Tom|-
<br />So is it possible that these shapes I am seeing as domes are actually raised areas within the craters?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">It's about as possible as a unanimous vote in the U.N. The image data is at this link:
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0202654.html
Click on each title, such as "Sun Azimuth" and "North Azimuth", and study the definitions. You will see that, in the map-projected images, north is up and the Sun is in the west (left). About that, there is no ambiguity.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">... seeing these areas that I perceive as domes to actually be concave is very difficult.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Every MGS image has depth ambiguity. If you can't see them all both ways, I recommend more practice. This kind of mental swirch is known to be easier for some than for others, but practice helps.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Also confusing to me, if the sunlight were falling from the left then it seems that the right perimeter edges of the craters would be highlighted by the sun, instead the image seems to show exactly the opposite effect.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I see craters with raised rims. It works just as well visually, and is mandated by the Sun Azimuth data. -|Tom|-
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20 years 9 months ago #8650
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Replied by Wil on topic Reply from Wilmer Faust
Who's on Mars?
Maybe we are or were (or more properly, perhaps, some distant cousins).
For example:
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/wilfaust/artistportrait.jpg"
Does random, environmental entropy on Mars create such realistic images? Personally, I find a human-like presence -- at some time -- a more plausible explanation.
Wil
P.S. I don't know why, but I interpreted this crater profile as of someone with an artistic nature. Just an impression....
Maybe we are or were (or more properly, perhaps, some distant cousins).
For example:
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/wilfaust/artistportrait.jpg"
Does random, environmental entropy on Mars create such realistic images? Personally, I find a human-like presence -- at some time -- a more plausible explanation.
Wil
P.S. I don't know why, but I interpreted this crater profile as of someone with an artistic nature. Just an impression....
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