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PDF file sent as requested, Quantum, enjoy!

thanks! MV

Quoting Cherekon:

"As a general challenge --not of course overlooking the entertainment value -- I would like to apply this to a range of topics more specifically suited to the interests of this list. I, myself have a quite personal interest in such apparently diverse topics as the internal dynamics of particle spin, the nature of consciousness, gravitation and time.

Is this what you had in mind, Fred?
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Not exactly, Cherekon, but if you can suggest an experiment which

would allow us to train a gravimeter or another kind of remote

sensing device on a point in space 8 minutes and 19 seconds ahead of

the Sun (i.e., train the instrument at the target point where the Sun

actually is at the moment we're aiming, as opposed to where we see

the Sun), and thereby achieve a statistically significant reading,

I would have to conclude that you have successfully designed an

experiment which demonstrates FTL phenomena. Further thoughts on

this idea you will find in the "Gravity and Relativity" forum under

the thread "F.T.L. Morse, the Forgotten Descendant."

I got the FTL signal director explanation and Economics paper in emails and thank you both, Cherekon for the economics paper and for FTL(related) i like to thank samizdat, they are both thought fufilling!!

The intuitive mind

>Is this what you had in mind, Fred?

Samizdat wrote:

Not exactly, Cherekon, but if you can suggest an experiment which would allow us to train a gravimeter or another kind of remote sensing device on a point in space 8 minutes and 19 seconds ahead of the Sun (i.e., train the instrument at the target point where the Sun actually is at the moment we're aiming, as opposed to where we see the Sun), and thereby achieve a statistically significant reading, I would have to conclude that you have successfully designed an experiment which demonstrates FTL phenomena.

Samizdat,
I think the gravitational field of the Earth itself would induce a very high signal-to-noise ratio for any planetary based experiment. Therefore, a solar orbital platform would appear to provide the best opportunity for experiment. Presuming that such a vehicle were available, and assuming that a stable solar orbit was established well away from planetary gravitation (should such a thing be truly possible within the system as a whole), then let's imagine this platform as the base of a pendulum. This could easily be many miles in length, --say, a significant mass attached to the end of a cable-- so that at some extension from the platform, it's angle, relative to orgital direction, would be measurably affected by the mass of the sun as the prevailing center of gravity. This angle, relative to the apparent optical position of the sun, should then indicate the actual solar position in, as some would put it, forward in time. Sorry, but the only other alternative I can think of is to sink a hundred billion or so into a mine shaft somewhere and look for the strongest source of governmentally funded, imaginary "gravitons." <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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and assuming that a stable solar orbit was established well away from planetary gravitation (should such a thing be truly possible within the system as a whole), then let's imagine this platform as the base of a pendulum

Makis wrote:
"There should be stable points where all gravity forces cancel out, such as the L points between earth and moon. Wouldn't such a point provide the inertial reference frame needed for the measurements?"

Thank you, Makis. I was speaking extemporaneously, and hadn't thought the thing entirely through. The L-points would seem, at first glance, to be the most appropriate locations for such an experiment.

To add a further comment in regard to the simplest possible method of measuring the resulting angle, the enmassed end of this 'pendulum' could also be fitted for calibration, much like a simple ruler. A large mylar collar for example, --somewhat like an umbrella-- could be unfurled around the center mass of the pendulum. Photo-diodes placed on the "outer" surface --that opposite the sun-- could then be utilized in lieu of calibration marks. A low-wattage laser, oriented optically towards the direct center of the visible sun, would then activate those diodes representing the succession of diverent degrees. I'm sure others can think of more elegant solutions, but this is what comes to me at this time.