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18 years 2 months ago #18940 by Jim
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Is there an allowance made in the models for time to make young stars-have them go supernova-spill their guts all over the universe- and then make new stars that have heavy elements? It seems to me it is not easy to connect the dots if there is only 13 billion years of time for all this to happen. How long does it take to make first generation stars? And how long does it take for the heavy elements to disperse through the universe? Then how long does it take to make second generation stars? Since the sun is half the age of 13by it must be really quick for the other events to happen.

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18 years 2 months ago #17590 by tvanflandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />How long does it take to make first generation stars?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Just a few million years. Giant stars are usually short-lived (according to current models). -|Tom|-

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18 years 2 months ago #17696 by Tommy
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I cannot accept that this gravity which somehow manages to stop faster than light expansion, and is strong enough to counteract the corresponding movement of plasma can pull or push this plasma into clumps, and then somehow stop there so that the clumps stay apart as stars in a galaxy, has created what I see. I don't see gravity at work. If gravity were the sole determinate, then it wouldn't have stopped at these crucial boundaries, it would have kept ging as it was and pull everything together into one single ball.

But if matter/energy were created in the center of stars/galaxies,
by plasmoids, then I can see it looking like what I see today. A plasmoid is a tiny plasma resonant circuit. They have been produced in the laboratory and are capable of producing more energy than is sustaining them. Collect a lot of plasmoids together and we have a plasmoid star.

That's what I see. What they tell me is gong on in the center of the galaxy, is a black hole sucking everything up, and somehow throwing it all back out. The simpler idea is that the matter/energy is being produced in the center of the plasmoid and overflowing outward. Galaxies are not colliding they are bifurcating.

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18 years 2 months ago #17697 by Jim
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TVF, So, if first generation stars were made and later generations followed why are frist generation still being produced? If the star stuff was changed by first generation stars why are any later stars of the first generation type?

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18 years 2 months ago #17597 by tvanflandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />TVF, So, if first generation stars were made and later generations followed why are frist generation still being produced? If the star stuff was changed by first generation stars why are any later stars of the first generation type?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">There are none, according to the Big Bang model. All first generation stars are either gone or are now 13.7 billion years old. -|Tom|-

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18 years 2 months ago #17598 by Tommy
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So, if one were to find first generation stars now, that would constitute a falsification of the standard theory? And if one were to find old generation stars long ago that would falsify the standard theory, right?

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