Relavistic Time Dilation Test Fraud

TVF, You know the data being kicked around is about clocks slowing and not data in general. The data about atoms "ticking" slower is available according to your posts. The GPS data is fine but where is the data that has the clocks in hand? This detail seems to be missing in the data bank that simple people like myself can understand and access. There may be a reason this is so but nothing comes to mind.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />You know the data being kicked around is about clocks slowing and not data in general.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Data on the latest GPS clock corrections is likely to be available at the Coast Guard sites, where other current GPS data can be found. I haven't looked at these sites in several years, so can't help with specific links. But search engines should get you there rapidly.

The data I analyzed was acquired while high-precision GPS data was still classified. So my sources are not relevant to your wish to find public accessible data. Table 3 of my GPS paper shows the clock corrections applicable at the time of my analysis.

Your best bet would be to do what any researcher does when getting up to speed in a new area -- Do a literature search of all published articles that match a set of keywords you specify. Most technical libraries can assist with such a search. Mainly, I suspect you will find what you need in articles discussing the pre-launch clock rate corrections, because the after-launch corrections are relatively inconsequential. But you will find that only the standard SR and GR formulas were used to compute these pre-launch clock corrections. The fact that they worked well is demonstrated by the post-launch clock comparisons, which show clocks in orbit ticking at nearly the same rate as ground clocks.

I continue to suspect that you do not have the background you will need to do this kind of analysis independently, as opposed to simply reading about what others have done. But if you think you are up to the task, I could assist further. You would need to begin by reading my GPS paper with some understanding. -|Tom|-

I don't think any of your suggestions are at all related to the data on clocks in hand slowing and I'm not doubting any of the GPS data. The detail is quite important and you are leading me into areas not of value to this issue. Al that is needed is data that clearly shows clocks really do slow as per theory. Real clocks in hand not clocks buzzing about in space. I don't have the background as you say to do the studying you want me to or the time for that matter.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />I don't think any of your suggestions are at all related to the data on clocks in hand slowing...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">If that is all you want to know, then the matter is simple. Table 3 in my paper shows typical clock rate errors. To the accuracy we care about here, these are all zero. That means the calculated, pre-launch clock rate corrections were correct, because if they were not, then the clocks in orbit would tick at a much different rate than ground clocks.

The pre-launch clock rate changes were accomplished by pure theory, calculating the amounts from SR and GR. These values and the formulas used for computing them are listed at
metaresearch.org/cosmology/gravity/vanflandern.ppt
Does that give you what you need? -|Tom|-

The question I have is if clocks slow when moving why does data from observations of the universe indicate atoms(the clocks)always emmit photons at the same frequency reguardless of the speed? This is not limited to GPS and can be resolved by any particle accelerator here on solid ground. If they do indeed slow then all the data that has been amassed needs to be re-evaluated because it is assumed atoms emmit photons at the same frequency even if they are moving at near the speed of light.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />The question I have is if clocks slow when moving why does data from observations of the universe indicate atoms (the clocks) always emit photons at the same frequency reguardless of the speed?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The answer is they don't. The observed frequencies of elements in starlight from galaxies are redshifted. We <i>assume</i> without proof that the frequency would have been the same if the emitter were at rest. But the observed frequency is changed.

Gravitational redshift likewise changes the frequency of emission. Clocks are a form of emitter, and the observed changes in their frequencies match exactly the observed changes in the frequencies of spectral lines. -|Tom|-