Physical Axioms and Attractive Forces

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br />Although these zones do move through the medium as a pressure variation, they do not do so at a characteristic speed. Instead they move at the speed of the mass that has entrained them.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Now you are speaking of the static pressure zone surrounding masses, the gravitational potential field of each mass. But what you say does not apply to variations in that static pressure field such as light waves. The variations have a characteristic speed governed by the medium they propagate in (elysium). The wave speed is also influenced by the static pressure at any given place in the elysium. (We used to say it was governed by elysium density there, but we now say pressure.)

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">These zones do not exhibit the property of interference. When two or more graviton shadows overlap, the elysium pressure bubbles they create always add constructively.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The static pressure zones no not have interference. The waves in them do.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I understand the futility of fighting established practice, so I don’t plan to push this very hard. Can we agree to refer to light waves as light waves rather than as pressure waves? Then if we want to talk about a light wave and a pressure wave in the same discussion, we will know which of the two different phenomena are meant.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes, we normally do that anyway. But in this particular discussion, we are speaking of light waves being pressure periodic variations or pressure waves. So some mixing is inevitable.

Here's another analogy. If elysium were an ocean flowing over a mountain, and the mountain jiggled (perhaps from an earthquake), it would send out a pressure wave through the water that would ignore the flow of the water yet have its propagation speed determined by water pressure/density everywhere it traveled.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">For example, in the [quoted] exchange I’m reading your use of “pressure wave” as meaning “light wave”. Am I correct in doing so?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">And I’m reading your use of the terms “dominant local field” and “dominant frame” as referring to the elysium pressure wave (bubble) that is entrained by the graviton shadow of the mass. Am I correct here also?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes.

But I'm not sure I hit the point that was causing you to glitch. But let's continue talking this out until we eliminate any and all fuzziness. -|Tom|-

If we have a matter space elysium boundary at light speed, where the refractive index flips from pos to neg. Then we could consider a light wave as having a half longitudinal wave, half transverse wave component to it.

Another aspect of this whole situation that I have been thinking about is the individual electrical and magnetic fields that create make up the light wave. Light speed changes (slowing near gravitational masses like stars) and light refraction has been attributed to elysium concentrations and pressure. Since stars are basically the most electrically charged and magnetic objects imaginable, what effect does their propagating fields have upon the light from a destructive or constructive point of view. I am not referring to constructive or destructive wave propagation, I am curious if regions around the stars exist which effect zones of elysium, act as energy mirrors or lens, or cause elysium dissipation due to the powerful effects of two fundamental forces (gravity and EM). Any comments on this?

Mark Vitrone

i think a question that has to be asked is, are we dealing with three substances, or two? The interaction of Elysium and matter create the zero to light speed "atmophere" of ether, or the ether is a real player in the game.

If we are talking about a non newtonian substance, then it's an extremely rigid substance which nevertheless, allows easy movement up to light speed. If we swop the signs for our refractive index then we can consider the shadow between the Sun and the Eath say, to be a tube or a wire. Now I think that we should get Rayleigh waves on this tube/wire. Standing waves would alter their tone through an orbit. Harmony of the spheres []

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by MarkVitrone</i>
<br />Another aspect of this whole situation that I have been thinking about is the individual electrical and magnetic fields that create make up the light wave.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Because light has no charge and no magnetism, I've never found this a useful way to think about light. Instead, we should consider that light is pressure waves created by gravitons in elysium, where elysium is the medium responsible for electric and magnetic forces -- as in "The structure of matter in the Meta Model", MRB 12#4: 58-63 (2003).

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Since stars are basically the most electrically charged and magnetic objects imaginable, what effect does their propagating fields have upon the light from a destructive or constructive point of view.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The fields do not propagate. Pressure waves in the field do.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I am curious if regions around the stars exist which effect zones of elysium, act as energy mirrors or lens, or cause elysium dissipation due to the powerful effects of two fundamental forces (gravity and EM). Any comments on this?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Without gravitons, elysium would be a pressureless, dull medium. With them, we get the standard forces, but no new phenomena that I am aware of. The five new properties of gravity (speed &gt;&gt; c, finite range, shielding, mass heating, and a small change in pericenter motion for two large masses) are all we can presently expect to see. -|Tom|-

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Stoat</i>
<br />are we dealing with three substances, or two? The interaction of elysium and matter create the zero to light speed "atmophere" of ether, or the ether is a real player in the game.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Ether = elysium, the light-carrying medium. Those two are one and the same. The graviton medium is much smaller and affects elysium as well as matter. You might regard metter as a third medium, but elysium and gravitons are also "substance", the geneic term for matter. In the Meta Model, there are an infinite number of mediums.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If we are talking about a non newtonian substance,...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">What does that mean?

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">then it's an extremely rigid substance which nevertheless, allows easy movement up to light speed.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Elysium is "extremely rigid" in the sense of being nearly incompressible, much like ocean water. But elysium is still a very good carrier of pressure waves, as oceans are good carriers of sound waves generated in the water (not in the air).

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If we swop the signs for our refractive index then we can consider the shadow between the Sun and the Earth say, to be a tube or a wire. Now I think that we should get Rayleigh waves on this tube/wire.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That would require another medium. Waves in a single medium pass through other waves without any effect on one another. And this "tube" would be extremely shallow because the elysium pressure or density changes caused by the Sun's graviton shadow are only on the order of a part in 100 million. -|Tom|-