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20 years 10 months ago #8097
by tvanflandern
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by north</i>
<br />1)what is the source of gravitons?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Substance from smaller scales. Gravitons form on their scale the same way that stars form on their scale -- from accretion of still smaller substances. In MM, scale is infinite.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">2)can/do gravitons collide into one another? if not why not?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes, their rms flight distance before hitting another graviton is 1-2 kpc. That is what causes galaxies to behave in a non-Newtonian way.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">3)what is there density or are they contiguous?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">They are discrete. The known constraints on flux density are at the end of Slabinski's article in PG.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">4)are they evenly pervasive,360degrees,in breadth and depth in the known universe?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Their distribution in the visible universe is smooth, just as air molecules have a smooth distribution. Currents no doubt exist in both cases.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">5)why are gravitons travelling faster than light,where does this energy come from to do so?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Again, from the momentum of substances on smaller scales. To understand momentum, one needs to appreciate that gravitons are incredibly fast to beings on our scale, but incredibly slow to beings on scales so small that gravitons are as big and slow as stars appear to be to us. So there is nothing special about their speed.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">6)do they ever lose energy,which causes them to drop to light speed or just lower than is thought?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Like air molecules and stars, gravitons undoubtedly have a Maxwellian speed distribution.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">7)can, at these faster than light speeds,cause gravitons to fuse together,causeing an aggregate, if they can collide?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Their elasticity is almost, but not quite, perfect.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">8)what happens when they hit a spining object, since their moment of penetrating a spining mass, is constantly changing position?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Spin of macroscopic bodies is so slow compared to graviton speeds that the graviton would not realize the body was spinning at all. -|Tom|-
<br />1)what is the source of gravitons?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Substance from smaller scales. Gravitons form on their scale the same way that stars form on their scale -- from accretion of still smaller substances. In MM, scale is infinite.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">2)can/do gravitons collide into one another? if not why not?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes, their rms flight distance before hitting another graviton is 1-2 kpc. That is what causes galaxies to behave in a non-Newtonian way.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">3)what is there density or are they contiguous?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">They are discrete. The known constraints on flux density are at the end of Slabinski's article in PG.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">4)are they evenly pervasive,360degrees,in breadth and depth in the known universe?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Their distribution in the visible universe is smooth, just as air molecules have a smooth distribution. Currents no doubt exist in both cases.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">5)why are gravitons travelling faster than light,where does this energy come from to do so?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Again, from the momentum of substances on smaller scales. To understand momentum, one needs to appreciate that gravitons are incredibly fast to beings on our scale, but incredibly slow to beings on scales so small that gravitons are as big and slow as stars appear to be to us. So there is nothing special about their speed.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">6)do they ever lose energy,which causes them to drop to light speed or just lower than is thought?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Like air molecules and stars, gravitons undoubtedly have a Maxwellian speed distribution.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">7)can, at these faster than light speeds,cause gravitons to fuse together,causeing an aggregate, if they can collide?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Their elasticity is almost, but not quite, perfect.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">8)what happens when they hit a spining object, since their moment of penetrating a spining mass, is constantly changing position?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Spin of macroscopic bodies is so slow compared to graviton speeds that the graviton would not realize the body was spinning at all. -|Tom|-
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20 years 10 months ago #8098
by north
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thanks for the info. i imagine i'll ask more later!!
thanks for the info. i imagine i'll ask more later!!
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20 years 10 months ago #8194
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">2)can/do gravitons collide into one another? if not why not?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes, their rms flight distance before hitting another graviton is 1-2 kpc. That is what causes galaxies to behave in a non-Newtonian way.
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what does "rms" & 1-2 kpc mean? what do you mean "that is what causes galaxies to behave in a non-Newtonian way"?
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what does "rms" & 1-2 kpc mean? what do you mean "that is what causes galaxies to behave in a non-Newtonian way"?
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20 years 10 months ago #8101
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by north</i>
<br />what does "rms" & 1-2 kpc mean? what do you mean "that is what causes galaxies to behave in a non-Newtonian way"?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">"Rms" = "root mean square", a type of average. In this case, it refers to the average distance a graviton travels before colliding with another graviton.
"Kpc" = kiloparsec, an astronomical unit of distance equal to about 3000 lightyears.
Newtonian gravity exerts an inverse square force everywhere except in galaxies over distances greater than about 1-2 kpc. Then the force becomes inverse linear. This is normally explained by imagining that some kind of "dark matter" exists to explain the apparent change. In MM, the cause of the change is the scattering of gravitons at the range of 1-2 kpc, and there is no such thing as "datk matter". -|Tom|-
<br />what does "rms" & 1-2 kpc mean? what do you mean "that is what causes galaxies to behave in a non-Newtonian way"?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">"Rms" = "root mean square", a type of average. In this case, it refers to the average distance a graviton travels before colliding with another graviton.
"Kpc" = kiloparsec, an astronomical unit of distance equal to about 3000 lightyears.
Newtonian gravity exerts an inverse square force everywhere except in galaxies over distances greater than about 1-2 kpc. Then the force becomes inverse linear. This is normally explained by imagining that some kind of "dark matter" exists to explain the apparent change. In MM, the cause of the change is the scattering of gravitons at the range of 1-2 kpc, and there is no such thing as "datk matter". -|Tom|-
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20 years 10 months ago #8197
by dholeman
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North,
Tom left out an interesting observation related to the graviton rms distance between collisions. In Dark Matter he notes that 1 to 2 kiloparsecs happens to be the "thickness" of galactic disks, including our own Milky Way, the point being that gravitons are responsible for large scale structure of the cosmos.
I think from your questions that you would like the books Dark Matter and Pushing Gravity.
Tom left out an interesting observation related to the graviton rms distance between collisions. In Dark Matter he notes that 1 to 2 kiloparsecs happens to be the "thickness" of galactic disks, including our own Milky Way, the point being that gravitons are responsible for large scale structure of the cosmos.
I think from your questions that you would like the books Dark Matter and Pushing Gravity.
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20 years 10 months ago #8105
by north
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yes i have the book thanks and also Pushing Gravity.
yes i have the book thanks and also Pushing Gravity.
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