Creation Ex Nihilo

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mac</i>
<br />JRich,

<b>Physical things (space) that have finite measures can never become nothing. It is impossible by definition. Nothing is nothing more that a mathematical tool and something to amuse ourselves with but is not and can never be a description of physical reality.</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

ANS: Cute but no cigar.

Now tell us what we have, assuming the "Scientists" are correct in that energy "Creates" space, when the universe undergoes "heat death" (energy ceases to flow), which they also predict.

I'm waiting.......
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mac

simple,matter as HALTON ARP observes is created in the center of galaxies and therefore creates space,your wait is over, however i am waiting for you to read HALTON"S book!![]

north,

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><b>i'am sure that if you wanted to you'd find the pro's and con's of any theory. i'am also sure that you are capable of understanding of how they got to their conclusions and critique them if you are truly interested in the truth,no!! with your education i would find it VERY DIFFICULT to believe its beyond you,if so try any way,the truth is worth it wouldn't you say.</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

ANS: I did and I have found truth in my view.

The simple fact is 50 years ago this year, I first pened UniKEF. In it I made the following statements:

1 - Energy creates space.

2 - Matter is condensed energy or energy in a harmonic standing wave.

3 - I initially said the energy came from the stars and other active bodies but later changed that to a homogeneous flow from space itself (vacuum) which may have been a mistake. To soon to tell.

4 - Flow of this energy (which I labeled "time-energy") and absorbtion of this energy creates gravity.

Now 50 years later what do some highly recognized scientists say:

1 - The stars are converting mass into energy.

2 - Energy creates space.

3 - Matter is condensed or bound energy.

4 - Matter consumes space (energy) and creates gravity and time.

By my count my view has been at least 80% or better consistant with such scientific views. Although this theory is in its enfancy and not formalized by supporting mathematics it caused me to make a dozen or so "Priori Predictions". In the 50 years since over half of them have been found to be correct. And there are a couple more that are looking more correct every day.

Tell us your personal record at developing a concept and having made any "Priori Predictions".

I am more than content to let you keep your view and I'll keep mine. My point is you should learn to state your belief as your belief, just as I state this is my belief and why but not be so******sure of yourself and your view as being the only correct one.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><b>you wouldn't want to be led down the perverbal garden path would you? </b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

ANS: I am not being led down a path, I left a trail.

You have an annoying habit of saying "You are wrong", when the simple facts are you do not and cannot know that.


"Imagination is more important than Knowledge" -- Albert Einstien

JRich,

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><b>Pray tell, to which "scientists" were you referring and to which theory or theories that predict "heat death". You made an appeal to authority, at least back it up.</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

ANS: Don't tell me you are unaware of such work. Do I burp you too after your feeding?

Rather than continuing to argue with you, I just typed "Universal Heat Death" into MSN search and it came up with 129,841 hits. It may take me a while to compile my supporting documents file so be patient.

Out of couriosity I'm going to Google also.

By all means, try Google, more variety on the subject: 336,000 hits.

BYE!


"Imagination is more important than Knowledge" -- Albert Einstien

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mac</i>
ANS: Physical things (time) that have finite measures can never become infinite. It is impossible by definition. Infinity is nothing more than a mathematical tool and something to amuse ourselves with but is not and cn never be a description of jphysical reality.
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You still don't get it. A time line (all of time) does not exist, only a point in time, traveling along the time line, which we call "now" exists.
Measuring two points on the time line, always yields a finite value.
Observed physical reality will never yield infinite values.

So in your argument nothing can be held against the infinite of the time line itself.

The past and the future can not be considered a physical reality.

Mac,

I guess you are not the only one that makes extra-ordinary claims on physical reality, see for instance Dr Dark Energy 's theory, which resemblance your theory.

Mac,

Just on a side track, but creation from nothingness in a MM framework is not possible by <b>definition</b>. So, your bifurcation argument N=(+s) + (-s) cannot be initiated and does not hold water in view of TVF's MM.

Just to let you know ... []