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14 years 7 months ago #23904
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by johnboy</i>
<br /> ...If the CMB is coming from a source at ~50 AU it seems to me that the dipole directions would show a MAJOR parallax simply by using the Earths orbital baseline of 2 AU. ...
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Good point! The parallax would be as much as +/- 1 degree, but the (+) and (-) local frequency extrema (i.e., "poles") would be shifted in the same direction, that is, rotated by angles opposite in sign. So, to some order of approximation, the overall best fitting dipole would remain the same. Maybe investigators have missed unexplained same-direction shifts of the (+) and (-) CMB poles, occurring near December and June.
<br /> ...If the CMB is coming from a source at ~50 AU it seems to me that the dipole directions would show a MAJOR parallax simply by using the Earths orbital baseline of 2 AU. ...
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Good point! The parallax would be as much as +/- 1 degree, but the (+) and (-) local frequency extrema (i.e., "poles") would be shifted in the same direction, that is, rotated by angles opposite in sign. So, to some order of approximation, the overall best fitting dipole would remain the same. Maybe investigators have missed unexplained same-direction shifts of the (+) and (-) CMB poles, occurring near December and June.
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Maurol</i>
<br />Hi all,
Some of you might be interested in the following paper:
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Thanks for alerting me to this and giving me this helpful reference.
<br />Hi all,
Some of you might be interested in the following paper:
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Thanks for alerting me to this and giving me this helpful reference.
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The Berlin Gold Hat (see: Wikipedia) is an eclipse record
Geoff Stray's "Beyond 2012" mentions the four or more extant gold cylinders, a.k.a. "gold hats" because there is some evidence that they were worn ceremonially, found in modern times in Germany & France, and maybe Switzerland & Ireland, dating from 1000-1300 BC. The best preserved is the "Berlin Gold Hat", whose provenance is uncertain, but probably southern Germany or Switzerland.
The Berlin Gold Hat has 20 rings with numbers, in a simple, rudimentary number system, that have been straightforwardly decoded as:
44,42,75,38,90,57,105,57,95,60,100,60,105,90,38,66,126,138,162,235.
The total is 1783, so, this is a 1783-year record of total solar eclipses at some location or locations. To find the expected frequency of total eclipses at any given midlatitude location, I consulted Stephenson & Houlden, "Atlas of Historical Eclipse Maps: East Asia", 1986. This book shows calculated partial & total solar eclipse tracks in or near China, since 1500BC. From 1500BC to 316AD, the capital Chinese city conveniently marked on the maps, was one of five northern Chinese cities all between about 35 and 40deg N lat. During this time, totality encompassed the then capital nine times, so at 35-40 N lat, whether in China or in Europe, total eclipses occur at a given location roughly once every 200 years.
This is indeed the average time interval near the end (physically, the bottom) of the Berlin Gold Hat. Apparently, near the end of the recordkeeping, the declining civilization, possibly pre-Celtic and Stonehenge-related, which produced the hat, had a poor communication network and knew only of local eclipses. Earlier, the civilization recorded eclipses over a larger region, so the intervals were shorter.
Only 1/18 of the numbers should be divisible by 18, but 4/20 of them are. The most reliable eclipse cycle is the Saros cycle, 223 synodic months = 18.0 years. The Saros cycle is very close to whole numbers of synodic, draconic and anomalistic months, so, the new moon recurs at the node and at perigee. The time of day is acceptable:
223 synodic months in Saros cycle * 5 = whole# + 0.63day
" * 7 = whole# + 0.28day
" * 9 = whole# + 0.93day
(I used the linear extrapolation estimates for ancient month length and day length, given by Wikipedia; this estimated change in day & month length, affects the above results by no more than 0.04 day)
So, it is likely that a collection of eclipses separated by 5, 5, 7 & 9 Saros cycles could be seen from the same point on Earth, especially if the 5-cycle eclipses were in the summertime.
Only 1/19 of the numbers should be divisible by 19, but 5/20 of them are. Nowadays a less reliable eclipse cycle is the Metonic cycle, 235 synodic months = 19.0 years: its numbers of draconic and of anomalistic months are, on the average, less exactly whole. The time of day again is acceptable:
235 synodic months in Metonic cycle * 2 = whole# + 0.39day
" * 3 = whole# + 0.08day
" * 5 = whole# + 0.47day (thus probably summertime eclipses)
Thus eclipses separated by 2, 2, 3, 3 & 5 Metonic cycles likely could be seen from the same point on Earth, if the 2- and, especially, 5-cycle eclipses were in the summertime.
As an extra check, I wrote a BASIC computer program to find whether it is possible to have two eclipses X +/- 1 yr apart. For all 20 values of X on the Berlin Hat, there was at least one time interval T, with X-1 < T < X+1, such that T was a whole number of synodic months, and within 0.02 months (7.2deg; equivalent to 0.7deg from the ecliptic) of a whole number of mean draconic half-months. This was however also true for 98 of the first 100 integers and 190 of the first 200.
For all 20 values of X, at least one of its values of T that was satisfactory vis-a-vis the node, also was good vis-a-vis the perigee (that is, nearly a whole number of anomalistic months, so both eclipses could be near perigee). Even the poorest performer had a value of T only 0.24 anomalistic month different from a whole number. By contrast, only 82 of the first 100 integers, and 161 of the first 200 integers, had any value of T for which the number of anomalistic months was within 0.25 of a whole number. Only 15 of the 20 Berlin Hat numbers are different, but even allowing for the duplicates, the chance that all 15 nonduplicate Berlin Hat numbers would lie among the best 82%, vis-a-vis perigee, is 0.82^15 = p = 5%.
If the Berlin Hat record ended ~1200BC when the hat most likely was (deliberately and carefully) buried, then its record began ~3000BC. My guess is that the Berlin Hat record began shortly after 4328BC, ended shortly after 4328 - 1783 = 2545BC; then the hat was stored aboveground for ~1300yr before burial.
Is there a location (preferably but not necessarily in northwest Europe) where total eclipses (preferably but not necessarily consecutive) occurred 162 +/-1, then 235 +/-1 yrs apart? (These last two intervals on the hat are likeliest to represent the hatmakers' one remaining observatory.) The answer to this question, could both place and date the hat.
Geoff Stray's "Beyond 2012" mentions the four or more extant gold cylinders, a.k.a. "gold hats" because there is some evidence that they were worn ceremonially, found in modern times in Germany & France, and maybe Switzerland & Ireland, dating from 1000-1300 BC. The best preserved is the "Berlin Gold Hat", whose provenance is uncertain, but probably southern Germany or Switzerland.
The Berlin Gold Hat has 20 rings with numbers, in a simple, rudimentary number system, that have been straightforwardly decoded as:
44,42,75,38,90,57,105,57,95,60,100,60,105,90,38,66,126,138,162,235.
The total is 1783, so, this is a 1783-year record of total solar eclipses at some location or locations. To find the expected frequency of total eclipses at any given midlatitude location, I consulted Stephenson & Houlden, "Atlas of Historical Eclipse Maps: East Asia", 1986. This book shows calculated partial & total solar eclipse tracks in or near China, since 1500BC. From 1500BC to 316AD, the capital Chinese city conveniently marked on the maps, was one of five northern Chinese cities all between about 35 and 40deg N lat. During this time, totality encompassed the then capital nine times, so at 35-40 N lat, whether in China or in Europe, total eclipses occur at a given location roughly once every 200 years.
This is indeed the average time interval near the end (physically, the bottom) of the Berlin Gold Hat. Apparently, near the end of the recordkeeping, the declining civilization, possibly pre-Celtic and Stonehenge-related, which produced the hat, had a poor communication network and knew only of local eclipses. Earlier, the civilization recorded eclipses over a larger region, so the intervals were shorter.
Only 1/18 of the numbers should be divisible by 18, but 4/20 of them are. The most reliable eclipse cycle is the Saros cycle, 223 synodic months = 18.0 years. The Saros cycle is very close to whole numbers of synodic, draconic and anomalistic months, so, the new moon recurs at the node and at perigee. The time of day is acceptable:
223 synodic months in Saros cycle * 5 = whole# + 0.63day
" * 7 = whole# + 0.28day
" * 9 = whole# + 0.93day
(I used the linear extrapolation estimates for ancient month length and day length, given by Wikipedia; this estimated change in day & month length, affects the above results by no more than 0.04 day)
So, it is likely that a collection of eclipses separated by 5, 5, 7 & 9 Saros cycles could be seen from the same point on Earth, especially if the 5-cycle eclipses were in the summertime.
Only 1/19 of the numbers should be divisible by 19, but 5/20 of them are. Nowadays a less reliable eclipse cycle is the Metonic cycle, 235 synodic months = 19.0 years: its numbers of draconic and of anomalistic months are, on the average, less exactly whole. The time of day again is acceptable:
235 synodic months in Metonic cycle * 2 = whole# + 0.39day
" * 3 = whole# + 0.08day
" * 5 = whole# + 0.47day (thus probably summertime eclipses)
Thus eclipses separated by 2, 2, 3, 3 & 5 Metonic cycles likely could be seen from the same point on Earth, if the 2- and, especially, 5-cycle eclipses were in the summertime.
As an extra check, I wrote a BASIC computer program to find whether it is possible to have two eclipses X +/- 1 yr apart. For all 20 values of X on the Berlin Hat, there was at least one time interval T, with X-1 < T < X+1, such that T was a whole number of synodic months, and within 0.02 months (7.2deg; equivalent to 0.7deg from the ecliptic) of a whole number of mean draconic half-months. This was however also true for 98 of the first 100 integers and 190 of the first 200.
For all 20 values of X, at least one of its values of T that was satisfactory vis-a-vis the node, also was good vis-a-vis the perigee (that is, nearly a whole number of anomalistic months, so both eclipses could be near perigee). Even the poorest performer had a value of T only 0.24 anomalistic month different from a whole number. By contrast, only 82 of the first 100 integers, and 161 of the first 200 integers, had any value of T for which the number of anomalistic months was within 0.25 of a whole number. Only 15 of the 20 Berlin Hat numbers are different, but even allowing for the duplicates, the chance that all 15 nonduplicate Berlin Hat numbers would lie among the best 82%, vis-a-vis perigee, is 0.82^15 = p = 5%.
If the Berlin Hat record ended ~1200BC when the hat most likely was (deliberately and carefully) buried, then its record began ~3000BC. My guess is that the Berlin Hat record began shortly after 4328BC, ended shortly after 4328 - 1783 = 2545BC; then the hat was stored aboveground for ~1300yr before burial.
Is there a location (preferably but not necessarily in northwest Europe) where total eclipses (preferably but not necessarily consecutive) occurred 162 +/-1, then 235 +/-1 yrs apart? (These last two intervals on the hat are likeliest to represent the hatmakers' one remaining observatory.) The answer to this question, could both place and date the hat.
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14 years 7 months ago #23928
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Where do the tracks of these total eclipses intersect?
NASA's online list of long (>6min) total solar eclipses starts at 4000BC. Since eclipse tracks tend to be roughly west to east (Luna moves faster than the surface of Earth) the likeliest eclipses to be seen in Europe, are those near Europe's latitude, and with their "point of greatest eclipse" not too far away in longitude.
Two such eclipses are calculated at Julian calendar dates April 26, 2806 BC, and May 24, 2407 BC. These are 399 yr apart, which is within the range (162+/-1)+(235+/-1)=397+/-2 implied by the bottom two rings of the Berlin Hat. The point of greatest eclipse for the earlier eclipse, is 35N 11W, and for the later, 28N 27W. The earlier track is, at widest, 298km and the later, 271km.
The first eclipse on the Berlin Hat, would have been about 1783 years before the last, 2407 BC, eclipse: that is, 4190 BC. The top ring of the Berlin Hat is blank (see Wikipedia article). If the top ring said 138 yr, that would give a "zeroth" eclipse at 4328 BC.
The 18th ring of the hat, says 138 yr. The sum of the first 18 rings, is 1386 yr = 10*138.6. There is an eclipse cycle of 1714 synodic months = 138.58 Julian yr = 1860.026 draconic months = 1836.92 anomalistic months. So, it is plausible that the blank, "zeroth" ring, would have said 138 yr.
If, perhaps from Prof. Espenak or Prof. Meeus, the track of these two eclipses could be learned, then the intersection point would tell us the location of the observatory used for the last entries on the Berlin Hat.
NASA's online list of long (>6min) total solar eclipses starts at 4000BC. Since eclipse tracks tend to be roughly west to east (Luna moves faster than the surface of Earth) the likeliest eclipses to be seen in Europe, are those near Europe's latitude, and with their "point of greatest eclipse" not too far away in longitude.
Two such eclipses are calculated at Julian calendar dates April 26, 2806 BC, and May 24, 2407 BC. These are 399 yr apart, which is within the range (162+/-1)+(235+/-1)=397+/-2 implied by the bottom two rings of the Berlin Hat. The point of greatest eclipse for the earlier eclipse, is 35N 11W, and for the later, 28N 27W. The earlier track is, at widest, 298km and the later, 271km.
The first eclipse on the Berlin Hat, would have been about 1783 years before the last, 2407 BC, eclipse: that is, 4190 BC. The top ring of the Berlin Hat is blank (see Wikipedia article). If the top ring said 138 yr, that would give a "zeroth" eclipse at 4328 BC.
The 18th ring of the hat, says 138 yr. The sum of the first 18 rings, is 1386 yr = 10*138.6. There is an eclipse cycle of 1714 synodic months = 138.58 Julian yr = 1860.026 draconic months = 1836.92 anomalistic months. So, it is plausible that the blank, "zeroth" ring, would have said 138 yr.
If, perhaps from Prof. Espenak or Prof. Meeus, the track of these two eclipses could be learned, then the intersection point would tell us the location of the observatory used for the last entries on the Berlin Hat.
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14 years 7 months ago #23929
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Joe Keller: Could you please tell me the calender date when the ~53 AU anomolies in Pioneer acceleration occured ? Thank You.
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14 years 7 months ago #23906
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Hi Joe, I'm not sure about your contention that that these people had a poor communication network is right. Metal working peoples were inheritors of the great stone circles and presumably some of the knowledge of the builders. They used the circles ut the nature of their ceremonies had changed. For one thin, the associated wood henges would have been long gone by their time. The stone henge, the wood henge and the ceremonial path are associated with ancestor worship. We also have the point, tha the circles were created at a time when early European man was making the painful transition from hunter gatherer to agriculture. The stone circles show the people in a very graphic manner, how the Moon is still mor important than the Sun.
Now even before these sites were set up, we have trade in ceremonial stone axe heads that was extensive. This cultural network carried on into the trading of metal axe heads. That suggests to me that the knowledge of the eighteen year eclipse cycle travelled back and forth between tribes. the hats are local, because the Sun, Moon and ancestors are bound up in the "observations." There's also the point that hill profiles were used for alignments of rising stars and planets.
Incidentally, these hats are the classic witches' hat of children's stories.
One other point, that I find massively intriguing, the stone circles are not circles. Get a rope and two pegs, mark out a circle. Then take your rope and pegs and put one on the circumference at about the south point. Use the other peg to mark off the radius round the circle. So you have six points marked off. Go round two segments on either side of the south starting point. Draw lines from those two points to the centre of the circle.
So it looks like we have a cake with a big slice cut out of it. Now take your rope and half it Walk half way down one of those two lines you've drawn and plant your peg, then from the circumference point draw an arc. Do the same for the other line of your cake slice. Then with a longer rope, go to the southern start point and draw an arc that intersects the two arcs drawn.
So you've now got a circle with a sort of crescent shape cut out of the top. Your stones are placed round this shape, to align with the horizon hills. Why? Nobody knows, Stand in the middle of one of these things and you can't detect that it's not a perfect circle. If it represents the crescent moon, why is is turned through about ninety degrees?
Now even before these sites were set up, we have trade in ceremonial stone axe heads that was extensive. This cultural network carried on into the trading of metal axe heads. That suggests to me that the knowledge of the eighteen year eclipse cycle travelled back and forth between tribes. the hats are local, because the Sun, Moon and ancestors are bound up in the "observations." There's also the point that hill profiles were used for alignments of rising stars and planets.
Incidentally, these hats are the classic witches' hat of children's stories.
One other point, that I find massively intriguing, the stone circles are not circles. Get a rope and two pegs, mark out a circle. Then take your rope and pegs and put one on the circumference at about the south point. Use the other peg to mark off the radius round the circle. So you have six points marked off. Go round two segments on either side of the south starting point. Draw lines from those two points to the centre of the circle.
So it looks like we have a cake with a big slice cut out of it. Now take your rope and half it Walk half way down one of those two lines you've drawn and plant your peg, then from the circumference point draw an arc. Do the same for the other line of your cake slice. Then with a longer rope, go to the southern start point and draw an arc that intersects the two arcs drawn.
So you've now got a circle with a sort of crescent shape cut out of the top. Your stones are placed round this shape, to align with the horizon hills. Why? Nobody knows, Stand in the middle of one of these things and you can't detect that it's not a perfect circle. If it represents the crescent moon, why is is turned through about ninety degrees?
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