Requiem for Relativity

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14 years 3 weeks ago #21023 by Jim
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Sloat, The barycenter is simple to locate between two mas systens like the solar system has. The problem occurs because the barycenter moves-its not fixed as all models assume. We have two bodies with one orbiting the other so the point we call the barycenter is always in motion between the two bodies. If that is Dr Joe's reason for his undiscovered body then he should redo his math correcting for a moving barycenter. As for Einstein why has he been promoted to god by so many people who should know better? I don't think he would approve.

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14 years 3 weeks ago #24109 by Stoat
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Hi Joe, can I pick your brains again. I've assumed that the ratio of the speed of gravity to the speed of light is 1.05457148E-34 = c^2 / b^2
b = speed of gravity

Now when I look at that Hawking radiation equation I have c^12 / b^4 = 0.7256340
if I want it to equal one, then the speed of gravity would be 2.6944002E 25 (log errors and e maybe?)but that would throw out my ratio value from the numerical part of hbar to 1.2379901E-34

What I was toying with doing was to consider that b^4 power in terms of x,y,z and t and looking at it with regard to Poisson's equation. A sort of grivito statics problem.

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14 years 3 weeks ago #21025 by Stoat
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Hi Jim, Joe's aware of what you say, that's why he has a large section on pulsars. obviously we can hold the barycentre still and have the whole solar system wobbling in a corkscrew around it as it moves through the galaxy. Or we can shift it to the centre of the sun and not be far off when we measure the angle between us and some far off body. To be really accurate though, we should be able to use frequency shifts in pulsars.

Now Joe's proposed planet, being way out in the boonies, means that we have to shift the barycentre out from the centre of the sun. Then the question becomes, are we misinterpreting the data from pulsars?

I'm sure Joe will explain better than I can what the problems with pulsars might be. One problem that springs to mind is something to do with Jupiter. Jupiter rotates but its magnetosphere is at a slightly different angle, as is the magnetosphere of the Earth. We have magnetic north and true north, so does Jupiter but, don't quote me on this, I believe the magnetic poles of Jupiter are flipped at the moment. The thing about Jupiter though, is that the magnetosphere is off centre by about a quarter of the radius. Are pulsars similar?

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14 years 3 weeks ago #21026 by Jim
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Sloat, You explain it well enough. The problem as I see it is a fixed barycenter no matter what two mass units are used to determine where the barycenter is located. With Sun/Jupiter the barycenter is near the surface of the sun and the sun if it moves toward Jupiter it will not rotate around the barycenter. I don't know what point is the real center of motion but its clearly not the barycenter. You don't need pulsars to see this simple truth-don't need to over think it either. But, If pulsars indicate a problem with the barycenter-that's good.

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14 years 2 weeks ago #24295 by Joe Keller
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I've rewritten my Nov. 15 post, "The case of Mars"; see above.

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14 years 2 weeks ago #21027 by Stoat
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Hi Joe, on the subject of occultations, have you read the stuff on working out the speed of gravity from an occultation of Jupiter, among the papers by Tom Van Flandern on this site? I think that all the guy did was to work out the speed of light (as did Tom) but his speed of light is slightly faster. This he put down to experimental error but I think that might be about the only thing he got right.

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