pushing gravity

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by modu</i>
<br />gravitons are actualy particles moving throgh space and their actual impact its what causing the "apple" to be pushed, vary much like one throwing a ball at an object, is that correct?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Right. Moreover, all forces of nature can be reduced to momentum transfers in impacts in the same way. A force is simply a continuing series of such impacts, and a field is a medium with wave properties, ultimately composed of particles colliding also. -|Tom|-

Hi Tom
some more qustions
A) what propel the gravitons throgh space, do they move at this incredible speed under their own enertia, or is there some proposed force/energy/theory that cause their ultra fast movment?
you mentioned that some gravitons get blocked by matter, some get absorved and most are passing throgh, is there some method/theory/logic that state under which condition any of the three posibilities will accure, in other words which part of the matter will let gravitons throgh, which one will block them and which will absorb them?
C) what happen to gravitons that get absorb in matter (like earth)?


modu

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by modu</i>
<br />What propels the gravitons through space? Do they move at this incredible speed under their own inertia, or is there some proposed force/energy/theory that causes their ultra-fast movement?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">This again presumes there is such a thing as absolute space. From the perspective of each graviton, it is at rest, not moving at high speed. So the only question that makes sense is: "Why do gravitons have ultra-fast speeds relative to one another?"

That answer presumes some understanding of the Meta Model, in which scale is infinite and infinitely divisible. On the large scale, things appear to us to change very slowly. On the small scale, change appears to be very rapid. But to observers existing on those scales, change happens at "normal" speeds. So on the graviton scale, the relative speeds are not "ultra-fast", but quite normal compared to the speed of change in everything at that scale.

If you then ask "Where did these 'normal' relative speeds come from?", the answer would be the same as for any other medium -- air, oceans, any gas or plasma: Those speeds were introduced by the processes that formed the liquid or gas or plasma in the first place. For things at our scale, we might be talking about a supernova event, or an asteroid impact, or a volcano erupting, or any other event that creates some new medium.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">You mentioned that some gravitons get blocked by matter, some get absorbed, and most are passing throgh. Is there some method/theory/logic that states under which condition any of the three posibilities will accrue? In other words, which part of the matter will let gravitons through, which one will block them, and which will absorb them?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">"Block" and "absorb" are the same condition. All substance (matter) has some smaller-scale constituents, and the rest is mostly empty space. Gravitons mostly encounter only the empty space. But occasionally, purely by chance, they will hit a constituent, called a "matter ingredient" (MI) in the Meta Model. By definition, an MI is the largest unit of substance that a graviton cannot fly through without being absorbed. It is smaller than any known quantum entity.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">What happens to gravitons that get absorbed in matter (like Earth)?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">They are like meteors absorbed by Earth. They add an insignificant amount of mass to the MI they hit, but also deposit a small amount of heat energy. These energy deposits are the engine that drives all atomic motions, including their ultimate release of energy in events such as radioactive decay or spontaneous photon emission. -|Tom|-

Hi Tom,

I was intrigued by your insightful thinking about the graviton field appearing static at dimensional scales, and that the field could possibly be an atmosphere of a mega planetary object. We know that photon emissions and absorptions effect electron activity within the nucleonic orbits, does graviton absorption and possible emission also take place but at an extreme small quantum nucleonic level that we might not understand at this time due to the activity taking place at such incredible FTL speeds? If these scales are infinite in range, does this mean that we will never be able to truely understand how the universe operates (except by scale extrapolation) since each boundary scale will appear static in infinite range and yet operate outside our technical perception? So far, from what I have read the Meta Model is the only model to even address scale as a first principle.

The Big Bang theory offers a flat universe that operates at the speed of light. Impossible.

Could you elaborate on size of graviton field and possible graviton field being atmosphere of a mega object, and does this mean that we might infact have a center to our universe? If a mega object (possible higher dimensional universe) exists and the atmoshere of gravitons appear static at that scale yet at our scale operates at 20 billion times the speed of light, then does the universe have rotation? A cascade of forces that appear static at all levels, yet is in synchronious motion.


GRAVITONS: "They are like meteors absorbed by Earth. They add an insignificant amount of mass to the MI they hit, but also deposit a small amount of heat energy. These energy deposits are the engine that drives all atomic motions, including their ultimate release of energy in events such as radioactive decay or spontaneous photon emission. -|Tom|-"

This is very exciting, prestine science!!!

John

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cosmicsurfer</i>
<br />does graviton absorption and possible emission also take place but at an extreme small quantum nucleonic level that we might not understand at this time due to the activity taking place at such incredible FTL speeds?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes, that sounds about right.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If these scales are infinite in range, does this mean that we will never be able to truely understand how the universe operates (except by scale extrapolation) since each boundary scale will appear static in infinite range and yet operate outside our technical perception?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The infinity of scale means the future of the universe can only be predicted statistically, but not exactly. OTOH, the similarity of all scales means that we already know all we need to know to understand and describe the universe well enough to answer all the age-old fundamental questions. I prefer to emphasize the latter, optimistic perspective over the former, pessimistic one.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Could you elaborate on size of graviton field and possible graviton field being atmosphere of a mega object, and does this mean that we might in fact have a center to our universe?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Definitely no center. The universe is infinite in space and non-expanding, so every point in it is as good as every other point.

The details of the graviton medium and how it interacts with the elysium ("light-carrying") medium and with matter are elaborated in detail in the <i>Pushing Gravity</i> book, various published papers reprinted on our web site and in the Meta Research Bulletin, and especially on our "Gravity" CD.

The very short story is that the elysium medium is what makes up the "extended atmosphere" of all particles, including those as big as planets and stars. It is held in place by the "pushing" gravitons, which make the elysium denser near masses and sparser far from masses. This density gradient is what causes relativity effects such as light-bending, gravitational redshift, and perihelion advance.

On the quantum scale, the thick, spongy elysium atmosphere surrounding electrons (with an elysium deficit) and protons (with an elysium excess) is what gives two like particles a force of repulsion stronger than gravity, and unlike particles a force of attraction. Yet if the atmospheres of two protons are successfully penetrated, their individual atmospheres merge and surround both particles, sealing them together as in an atomic nucleus, with no further mutual repulsion.

There are lots of insights in this emerging new picture, but there is still much to unravel. -|Tom|-

Hi Tom,

The prevailing view is that the universe has no edge and no center (If there was a big bang, there certainly was a center). It is a push to change existing theories away from prevailing thinking. So that the Meta Model as it stands is definitely a major change in the right direction. We both know that funding requirements are blocked if you rock the boat too much.

However, I totally disagree with the prevailing view point. Because for gravitons to have extreme FTL motion, there must be a causation for this motion. Infinite proportions, and infinite spectrums, at infinite scales may be the motus operandi of Universe (we still do not understand how the universe creates and maintains the structure of mass). However, for the universe to even exist there must be local and broad scale motion of gravitons that maintains the nucleonic processes that are the prime forces for equilibrium of atomic integrity through out the entire universe. I think that Mass fluctuations, then are the result of the juxtaposition of forward and reverse time waves that are formed from the flux field generation of a two way cycling of broadscale energies. The graviton may have a sister particle called an antigraviton.

The Universe may contain an infinite number of universes that probably have rotation around a higher frequency central organized nucleous. Everything is a generalization of form, from the quantum to the mega universe. The nucleus is a central focal point for both matter and antimatter wave interactions at all scales in universe. The atom has a center, the galaxies have centers, and the many universes have centers.

So, I agree with the push theory of gravity. There is more that needs to be explained in regards to the "emerging new picture" of just how this particular universe circulates graviton energies. I will be calling you to order all of your books and to get on the mailing list. Thank You....

John