The entropy of systems

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by GD</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by north</i>
[br

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

simlpy,heat is the movement of plasma states from the result of the enviroment in which it resides and it time, in the enviroment in which it will reside.

heat is just a state of plasma.

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I <blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> think heat is not just a state of plasma. Or if it is ,it would be its highest entropy, most disorderly form of energy.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

depends what you mean by disorderly. high energy plasma is very-very hot yet it has coherence(confined direction)magnetism would be involved in this.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I see heat as being "information loss" from the atom. It has no position, speed, ... etc., that is: if it isn't transferred to other atoms.
To me, this is an irreversible process, unless there is a mechanism which makes this happen otherwise.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

the thing is though, in order for "information" to be lost, as you say, information must be going IN. in otherwords an atom will not,on its own, put heat into its enviroment unless there is heat(energy) going into it.



All of this because of beta radiation: James Chadwick (1914) observed that when an electron is expelled from the atom, it has no fixed energy level.
Wolfgang Pauli (1930) saved the universe and " the energy conservation principle" when he introduced the neutrino.
Was this a mistake ?

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">What people are trying to save is not the energy conservation principle but rather conservation of mass (or matter).
There will always be energy in the universe, but the proportions of matter (organized energy) and heat (disorganized energy)will probably vary with time.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

to me there is no need for concern. i imagine that the mass&gt;energy ratio is in a constant state of flux and i would think almost impossible to get an actual figure.


<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">An accelerating universe implies that momentum of the atom in its organized form is not conserved.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">But...... I might be wrong.

the thing here is that your assuming the atom is open to the universe so to speak, it is not.

[/quote]

North,

Well said.

Although: being that everything in physics is based on theory, "the entropy of the atom" is still correct.

GD, I am still trying to figure out what you mean by entrophy of the atom. It is a nice sounding phrase. Can you explain what you mean? I'm sure I'm not the only one that doesn't understand this.

Hello Jim,

This means the atom does not remain stable over time.
(for example: plasma is the result of an unstable atom.)

I think this might be a possible scenario.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by GD</i>
<br />Hello Jim,

This means the atom does not remain stable over time.
(for example: plasma is the result of an unstable atom.)

I think this might be a possible scenario.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

it can stay stable,since it is in a neutral state unless acted upon. if not acted upon it can stay stable for infinity since nothing is giving or taking away the atoms energy.

North,

Every atom in your body is accelerated towards the ground at 10 m/s^2. this is not an equilibrium state.

These atoms also react to position (ie: relative to surface of the earth) and with time. Where do you see a neutral state ?