Breaking the Speed Limit

Leland,

Glad you've found that info useful. We should keep in mind, though, that the enormous 30-years' long experimental work by Mr. Shnoll et alii has no connection with any existing theory. Modern theoretical science appears totally unprepared to interpret those data. So it all will promptly get silenced for the sake of expediency; hope I'm too pessimistic here...

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Laboratory masses and charges are fairly limited too. We can make them large, or we can drive them at a high frequency, but not both together. The closest we have is the Walker-Dual experiment, which was done both with charges and masses, and obtained indications of ftl results (no detectable propagation delay) in both cases.

People are trying to do this. It is just very, very hard. -|Tom|-


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After reading the debate on the necessary parameters of an ftl experiment/signaling device, the following seems to me now rather naive, but I offer it by way of introducing myself to this fascinating board/discussion, and add that I have been thinking about the search for extra-terrestrial intelligence for at least a quarter century, but admit that I did not discover the idea of ftl phenomena, let alone ftl signaling, till only a few months ago. This stated, here it is:

I write to ask your suggestions for the minimal parameters/equipment you believe would be necessary to generate and/or receive a hyperSOL (in-lab)
signal?

I recognize now that the preferred appelation is ftl, which sure beats Hell out of "hyperSOL." As naive as my introductory quest for suggestions is, it is nonetheless the very crux of this website, the quest for ftl mastery. I have a few ideas in this regard, which tend toward the macrocosmic, which may be just as well here. Or are there folks on board who are steeped in knowledge of the nuclear and subatomic as well? Is there some way to tether the macro and micro together by amplifying an atom- or nuclear-level oscillation via feedback loop and measuring that against effects registered on a seismograph?

&gt; Finding Advanced Civilizations
&gt;
&gt; I will presume here that such a civilization has also conquered the
&gt; light speed barrier and faster-than-light signalling/communicating.
&gt; What might such a capability allow them to do?
&gt;
&gt; If we were to look at the night sky and observe an intelligent
&gt; signal arriving simultaneously from two distant (but
&gt; not equidistant from us) parts of it, we might conclude that two
&gt; stars (or galaxies, or regions) had made an elaborate arrangement
&gt; for our particular benefit.
&gt; Or we might conclude that the signals had been sent from the two
&gt; stars simultaneously and we received the two sets of signals
&gt; simultaneously, at which point we would declare ourselves mad -- or
&gt; simply out-engineered by our distant interlocutors.
&gt;
&gt; What we would need to put in place in order to find such spatially
&gt; disparate signals would be a worldwide network geared specifically
&gt; for the superimposing of different swaths of sky to look for
&gt; temporally identical sequences (of intelligent signals) -- which
&gt; presupposes the need for work on establishing conventions for
&gt; distinguishing natural from intelligent signals originating from a
&gt; particular galaxy, for instance.
&gt;
&gt; We should not bias ourselves in any way, by limiting the search, for
&gt; instance, to older regions of the universe. An advanced civilization
&gt; might be found with only sparse presence in an older region while
&gt; the bulk of its population resided in relatively recent galaxies. In
&gt; other words the (entire radio) sky is literally the limit.
&gt;
&gt; Such a discovery would require us to do extremely diligent
&gt; preparation by way of harmonics and amplification theory/practice,
&gt; before engaging in the process of establishing a communication link
&gt; with our newfound distant neighbors. It is likely that they would
&gt; have set limits on what kind of power levels might be reached -- on
&gt; their end. Therefore it would be incumbent upon us to develop the
&gt; necessary failsafes to prevent disaster once we were "on the grid."

There are two types of change - motion and propagation

MOTION: In order for something to move, it must displace what is in its path. The maximum velocity of a body in air will be considerably slower than its maximum velocity in space - but just how fast can space get out of the way when something wants to pass by?

PROPAGATION: In order for something to change in condition, a process of cause and effect is required. There will be a certain rate of change dependent on the medium. The denser the medium, the slower the change.

Question:
Is the limit of the maximum rate of change via motion the same as the maximum rate of change via propagation. And is that maximum 'C'?