Mathematical Obscurities in Special Relativity

The original poster preferred not to talk about history.

But Niels Bohr hesitated to accept his own quantum theory. For he accepted what we all know the whole is more that the sum of things.

When people converse friendly then they stimulate each other. You find many examples of it. And the quantum theories have only superposition.

So Bohr hesitations were right. History is very important. I think.

Many top scientists are not sure at all.

Philosophers tell us as well. We will never know the world.

Psychologists tell us, we have only presumptions.

Social scientists say we are groups of believers. Science is a social process. Don't have sciences their own languages, their own obscurities, their own magazines.

How many ideas are there for the notion time? Already many.

So from all sides we can hear, be careful in your believes.

regards

Ed van der Meulen

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regards

Ed van der Meulen

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Hi Ed,

Are you Dutch?

Do you speak German?

If so, have you ever read any of Lorentz’s papers or books in German?

Hello David

Yes, I am Dutch. I live near the North Sea.

I have learned German in highschool. I can read it. There are more Lorentz's but about the great Lorenz I have read in Dutch, which is somewhat easier for me.

I know translations aren't always so good. English hasn't a word like Hinreise. They say way there. But that's referring to a place and Hinreise is a situation.

Do you mean something particular from Lorentz. He was in any case a great scientist. In the city of leiden the university has a Lorentz center:

[url] www.lc.leidenuniv.nl/ [/url]

So yes, he's famous here.

Some more history in English:

[url] www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Lorentz.html [/url]

Nice to meet you, David

Ed

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Nice to meet you, David

Ed
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Thank you for the information about Lorentz. I have discovered that the 1905 Einstein theory was based on the 1895 Lorentz book. The first “Lorentz Transformation” equation was published in that book, not in a later paper as some people claim.

The Lorentz equation 1: #8730; 1 – v^2/c^2 causes the speed of light to be a “speed limit”, since if v = c, then the equation would turn into 1 : #8730; 0

So, it was Lorentz who invented the “speed limit of c”, not Einstein.

In fact, he invented “length contraction” and “time dilation” too, but today Einstein is credited with discovering this information. How he “discovered” it was when he read it in Lorentz’s 1895 book.

I tried for years to find a copy of the book, and I finally found one in January of this year. This book is the beginning of modern “relativity theory”, and it needs to be translated into English. This book is more important than Einstein’s Special Relativity theory.

Hi David,

Was the length contraction not the Lorentz-contraction as well. It's great you found that book. But I have a starters book about SR as well and it starts with Lorentz. Please put info on the net and ask for translators. "Lorentz the inventor and founder of the relativity theories". You could give already a lot of info, just by yourself. On your own site.

But Einsteins contibutions were great as well.

And else you can use my site.

Sourceforge is an open source posibility, you can make there your own home page as well for free.

We could also work together if you like that. So you have choice.

Thanks telling me about that book. Do you understand Dutch?

Ed

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Sourceforge is an open source posibility, you can make there your own home page as well for free.

We could also work together if you like that. So you have choice.

Thanks telling me about that book. Do you understand Dutch?

Ed
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No, I don’t speak Dutch or German.

I’m a retired journalist. I’m fairly good at investigative research. That’s how I found out right away that you are Dutch.

Some university, maybe one in the Netherlands, should translate the 1895 Lorentz book into English and make it available around the world.

Here is where you can buy a copy of the book in German for only $16 US dollars:

www.elibron.com/english/other/item_detail.phtml?msg_id=10017783

The book title is <b>Versuch einer Theorie der elektrischen und optischen Erscheinungen in bewegten Körpern.</b>

This is a photocopy of the book. This small company goes to university libraries and copies rare old books to computer disk. Then when anyone orders a copy, they print out the book and bind it in a soft-cover binding.

As far as I can tell, this is the ONLY source of this rare Lorentz book in the entire world.

Maybe you could order a copy of it and show it to university professors and librarians in the Netherlands. Every library in your country needs to have a copy of this book. And every science and university library in America needs one too, and we need an English-language copy.

Maybe you can put this information on your own website. I don’t know how to design a webpage, and I’m not important anyway. But Lorentz is important. If you can make up a webpage about this book and the source for copies of it, you need to use keywords in your text so the Google search engine will find your webpage and list it. Keywords like “relativity”, “Lorentz”, “Einstein”, “Lorentz Transformation”, “time”.

Einstein was only 16 years old when this book was published, and this book is the origin of modern “relativity” theory. But this book is more accurate than “Special Relativity” theory.