gravity effects

It is a mess for sure. The data I'm seeking is very stright forward redshift caused by the radial velocity of Earth/moon during the yearly cycle. That seems a no brainer but I guess not.

I have been searching for data that would prove anything posted at this thread for two weeks and have found none. For a well established and very accurately calculated orbit of the Earth/moon system I assumed there was a lot of data to show the calculations are correct and found nothing of the sort. There seems to be no data on the radial velocity of the Earth as it orbits the sun-no redshift data. So, how is it that models can provide what cannot be measured or at least is not being measured?

Today when I visited this site [url] neo.jpl.nasa.gov/2002aa29.html [/url] I taught about the discussion you had about the orbit of the moon. They speak about an asteroid that will become, in 600 years, a "pseudo-moon" of the earth. From the earth point of view the asteroid will circle us. But it won't be bound to earth gravity.
From the previous discussion, maybe we can tell that our moon is a "pseudo-moon"!

From Jim,

So, how is it that models can provide what cannot be measured or at least is not being measured?

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Just read the article AgoraBasta posted the link for at another topic, dealing with meaurements of events. One of the best I've read in a long, long time. It seems data is collected but the "outliers" are so many and smoothing to get rid off those effects results in garbage. I've been measuring accelerations and speeds of cars for the past 10 years. You'll be surprised to know that things tend to accelerate in upredictable ways even if a constant force is present. Yet, everyone is ignoring the fact like the brave Russians note in their paper. Why is that? I tell you those Russians risked a lot publishing that paper. When "non conforming" measurements are collected, experimenters aare accused of error. This is the typical defense mode of the establishement of garbage science and dogmatic scientists.

Among particles with masses usually held as negligable, are there measureable gravity effects? IOW, is there a density or mass at which there is significant bombardment to cause gravity? IF so, is there a point at which there is sufficient penetration to not be affected by gravity but still be measureable as mass? MV