A Really Big Bang?

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I think our LOCAL region of spacetime* is CURRENTLY undergoing increased time curvature*. But I recognize that their could be other explanations. I think it's local and it's temporary. Whereas the BB says there is nothing past the event horizon and also extrapolates this curving backwards in time till there's nothing left. NO wait, they actually DO claim the space shrinks. I'm saying it doesn't do anything, only time is affected**. How temporary? I haven't a clue. Maybe 1 mil yrs. Maybe 100 Bil. I think ARP's red-shifted galaxy sprouts might help me there. They also will create a rapid change to the landscape as they condense, which supports my argument.

*when I say "time curvature" and "spacetime", bear with me. I do see now that nothing happens to the space. It's simply the light slowing down and refracting in the gravitational fields. But this DOES cause gravitational red-shift which CAN create an event horizon.)

** Look again at my Time is Round? argument. The BB is fundamentally different from my view.


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spaceman

expain increased time currvature that its local and tempoary,you have HALTON wrong,what condences into "sprouts"?also yes he does say that there is a creation of matter.YOU NEED TO READ THE BOOK!!

how are you fundamentally different from BB?

by the way if you need the ISBN numbers for HALTONS book let me know,TOM'S you should be able to get it off this web site.

HAVE FUN!!

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>[SpaceMan]: when I say "time curvature" and "spacetime", bear with me. I do see now that nothing happens to the space. It's simply the light slowing down and refracting in the gravitational fields. But this DOES cause gravitational red-shift which CAN create an event horizon.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

In the preferred interpretation of the observations in these quarters, light simply loses energy through friction with the graviton medium. Lower energy requires longer wavelength. So light eventually becomes so redshifted that it becomes invisible at observable wavelengths.

With that interpretation, there is no expansion and no event horizon, and nothing happens to space or time. It's a much simpler explanation once you throw off the yoke of Big-Bang-based interpretations of the data. -|Tom|-

I like the medium idea. And the graviton. It's far more in keeping with waves. It just doesn't make sense to me that a wave can propagate through nothing. As you can see from my Twin Paradox interpretation, I believe all energy, mass or light, is a wave. And waves have scattering. So I see how they can weaken. Do you know if Dark Matter or Pushing Gravity is on the shelves in Cape Town anywhere? Exclusive Books maybe?
But wait a sec.. light is quantized. You better have a good explaination how it can weaken. Gravitational red-shifting can at least explain that in terms of inertial reference frames I think.

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I like the medium idea. And the graviton. It's far more in keeping with waves. It just doesn't make sense to me that a wave can propagate through nothing. As you can see from my Twin Paradox interpretation, I believe all energy, mass or light, is a wave. And waves have scattering. So I see how they can weaken. Do you know if Dark Matter or Pushing Gravity is on the shelves in Cape Town anywhere? Exclusive Books maybe?
But wait a sec.. light is quantized. You better have a good explaination how it can weaken. Gravitational red-shifting can at least explain that in terms of inertial reference frames I think.

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spaceman

PUSHING GRAVITY can be gotten on the web site your on,that is where i got mine,if it is offered anywhere else i don't know.(i have not read this book yet). by the way when you talk of dark matter book i assumed you were talking of TOM'S book,DARK MATTER MISSING PLANETS & NEW COMETS.also TOM will mail you these books.

as far as the gravitation-redshift problem TOM is far more qualified to answer your question than i am.and i think he already has.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>[SpaceMan]: It just doesn't make sense to me that a wave can propagate through nothing.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Nor to me. But "vacuum" clearly isn't "nothing" because it has measurable energy. So light propagates through what we used to call the "light-carrying medium", or relativity calls the "space-time medium". But in current terminology that recognizes the identity of this medium with the gravitational potential field (for a variety of good reasons), we call this medium "elysium".

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>As you can see from my Twin Paradox interpretation, I believe all energy, mass or light, is a wave.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

However, a wave is impossible without constituents because a wave is simply an organized movement of constituents. Moreover, although energy frequently appears in wave form, on an even smaller scale it is in particle form (the wave constituents). Matter sometimes appears to have wave properties because its own fields trap some elysium around it, like an extended atmosphere. However, waves and particles can be distinguished in several ways, the most fundamental being that particles can collide with other particles, whereas waves cannot collide with other waves in the same medium.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Do you know if Dark Matter or Pushing Gravity is on the shelves in Cape Town anywhere? Exclusive Books maybe?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

I have no specific knowledge of Cape Town resources. But most good book stores can order books from anywhere in the world. And if they can't, you can. Amazon and Barnes&Noble have these books for sale; and you can also purchase them through the Meta Research web site store.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>But wait a sec.. light is quantized. You better have a good explaination how it can weaken.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Light of a given frequency appears quantized (because it is a wave, and waves are quantized entities). However, intensity and wavelength are not quantized, and can take on any value. -|Tom|-

Tom,
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>relativity calls it the "space-time medium".<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>I like the way they quietly re-introduced the "aether". <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>A wave is simply an organized movement of constituents.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>If a photon is a collection of (freely moving?) particles that collide with one another, then what about the 2-slit defraction patterns? What's binding those particles together to act as a cohesive quantum unit? Is that where the elysium comes in"? (Excuse me if these topics are covered in "Dark Matter")
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>intensity is not quantized, and can take on any value.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>Are saying you can reduce the intensity (brightness)of a single photon? Tyler

North, I e-mailed you a thought experiment illustrating an event horizon. It was a bit too long and off-topic to include here.
re: books. I don't have a charge-card so I'll just order through the bookstore. Thanx