<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Alan McDougall
The problem I have with a static or Fred Hoyle type eternal infinite universe is the flow of the "Arrow of time" past/presnt/future
In static universe the arrow of time would be pushed back to infinity. Something like a athletic running contest where the start is pushed back infinitely.
We the spectators on earth would wait in vain for them to pass in front of us. So by this reasoning the earth could never have come into existence, could it?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
If you begin counting at negative infinity, you will never get to one. By your reasoning, the number one does not exist. We can only speculate on whether there was a first now and will be a last, or whether time has no beginning or end. We know that now exists; we are pretty sure that yesterday was and tomorrow will be. The farther we peer into the past and future, the less certain we can be.
In some vague time zones, past and future, certainty and science must yield to conjecture and religion. I am quite certain that Stephen Hawking crossed that zone somewhere between one billion and ten billion years ago; then he kept going to the first Planck time after the supposed big bang---all the while pretending to be scientifically certain. Let us not follow his example.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JAaronNicholson
Besides, how can you explain the urge of raw materials forming into ever more complex structures to eventually produce living creatures that can, then, with their mere will power and determination create even more complex structures, as a logical result coming out of Entropy? There is an anti-entropy force at work in evidence, here, just as much as there is an entropy force spreading out over time, and they are both riding the same Arrows of time in all directions.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
The anti-entropy force in my Fractal Foam Model of Universes (Google it) has to do with time inversion from one scale-wise universe to the next. The cosmic foam of our universe is the ether foam of a super-universe. The entropy generated in our universe ends up in our cosmic foam, and time inversion turns that into an input of disentropy into the super-universe. Likewise, we receive disentropy from the sub-universe. Expansion makes cosmic-foam bubbles pop, and time inversion turns that into un-popping. Every second, in every cubic meter of our ether, about <s>10^52</s> 10^88 ether-foam bubbles un-pop. So we have a constant influx of disentropy evenly distributed throughout our universe. This disentropy manifests itself as chaotic attractors---one for each fundamental particle, one for each complex particle, one for each familiar form, upto and including the cosmic foam. [Error discovered on 7.30/09. Explained in thread "[url="
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"]Might all forces propagate at speed of gravity?[/url]" ]
I am certain that this is how my model works (in its present incarnation); I am less certain the my model is a perfect clone of the physical universe.
