Mro--First Looks

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If the person(s) don't believe they exist (as in Neil's objection to Fred's shadow pareidolia), they (a) won't look in the first place, and (b) probably wouldn't find many even if they do look. It's all about being in the proper state of mind.[rd]
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The obvious logical next step is <i>not</i> to draw premature conclusions, but to see if Fred's procedure and results will achieve equal results if <i>someone else </i>does the experiment. In other words, we need to see if his results a <i>repeatable</i>. I suggest, using the numbers you came up with <i>you </i>conduct the experiment and see if you come up with many detailed faces--or just a lot of shadows.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Fred's answer here gives us something to work with. Basically, he gave us a crude formula to work with: 4 hours a day, 200 days a year, equals roughly 125 elaborate pareidolic images in a year, (or in 800 man hours). That comes to roughly 10.4 per month, or 6.4 manhours per pareidolic image, which is roughly what Fred said.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Your formula to work with.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If we assume that Neil has worked on finding his pareidolic images for roughly 16 hours a week (not unreasonable), and the sum total of the rest of the posters was 4 hours per week, and we approximate just using 4 weeks a month (2-3 days a month off the project), we come up with 80 manhours per 12.5 images, or 6.4 man hours per pareidolic image, just like Fred said.
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Assume all you want, I never said how much time I spend. Please don't use pure guesswork as part of your assessment.


I know you will report back and give us an honest account of your results when you repeat Fred's experiment. Unlike Fred, you would be motivated, in the interest of science, to supply all of the supporting data and images. You even have a laurel tree in your yard to work with.

Neil

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by neilderosa</i>
<br />In other words, we need to see if his results a <i>repeatable</i>. I suggest, using the numbers you came up with <i>you </i>conduct the experiment and see if you come up with many detailed faces--or just a lot of shadows.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> That's only partly true. Painting the Sistine Chapel is <b>repeatable </b>, but only if you possess the skills of Michaelangelo.

The biggest ongoing dispute I had with management, in my 15 years in software quality control had to do with the notion that <b>anybody </b>could do it, if you merely wrote down what you did and gave them a sheet of instructions. All one needs to do to see how nonsensical that notion is is to look at what happened to the reputation of Dell in recent years. They turned one of the greatest technical support teams ever assembled into an internet laughing stock, all because they subscribed to the notion that "anybody can do it" if you just tell them what to do.

Fred is the Michaelangelo of shadow pareidolic art, just as you are the Michaelangelo of Martian pareidolic art. I'm a mere hacker in this sense.

rd

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Fred is the Michaelangelo of shadow pareidolic art, just as you are the Michaelangelo of Martian pareidolic art. I'm a mere hacker in this sense.
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That sounds like a cop out. Don't forget <i>you</i> found the Nefertiti Family, not me. You are just as good as finding faces as I am. I KNOW you could do it. Or are you afraid I'll be proven right? You yourself said one had to be motivated to find faces. You are.

You have the motivation. You have the ability and technical knowledge. You have the laurel tree. So why not do it!

Right now fred is looking a lot like a flimflam man. You have the opportunity to redeem him--or the truth. If it's the truth you're after.

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<br />You are just as good as finding faces as I am.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Oh, absolutely, I can find <b>Martian </b> pareidolia with the best of them. But, just because someone is brain surgeon, doesn't mean you'd trust him to do a kidney transplant.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Right now fred is looking a lot like a flimflam man. You have the opportunity to redeem him--or the truth.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> It would be an insult to Fred to think he needs me or anyone else to "redeem" him. You're projecting.

rd

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When i started taking these photos i showed them around to get feedback. i said in a humble, self-effacing way that anyone could do it. A hip young newspaper editer said, "yes but you did it." An old vegetable salesman said "i'm not sure anyone could do it." There are as many answers as there are people. There is no one consensus reality that we all must accept. Skeptics find skepticism. Believers find belief. As ye seek so shall ye find. All goes to corroborate my belief that we are each creating what we see. Dreaming in the night AND day. i'm not saying anything William Blake didn't say, including why many see with Newton's sleepy single eye. Flimflam men see flimflam men. As ye sow so shall ye reap.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Oh, absolutely, I can find Martian pareidolia with the best of them. But, just because someone is brain surgeon, doesn't mean you'd trust him to do a kidney transplant. [rd]
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Still copping out, and I suppose it's because you are bluffing for all it's worth. And BTW, it would help to remember what you just said two posts ago; (“you are the Michelangelo of Martian pareidolic art. I'm a mere hacker in this sense”). But as LB once said, <i>"Consistency? We don't need no d..md consistency."</i>