Elaborate Pareidolia and other Mysteries

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by neilderosa</i>
<br />The idea of panspermia, if correct, would falsify, for example, the Darwinian belief that life had sprung spontaneously from the basic elements of the nascent earth around 4 billion years ago. And I suspect that if some causal mechanism were discovered for the DNA molecule whereby change (variation and mutation) was essentially “programmed” into the macromolecule, that notion could challenge the Darwinian theory of small, random, incremental variations over time, to that of change based on some principle of causality.

So by replacing random chance with causality, you have a rational, viable alternative to ID.

The reason I said there is a superficial similarity between the above and what we are doing in our Mars research, is because we are advocating a kind of intelligent design, but it is not the religious or supernatural kind; it is the kind of design that Picasso, or Michelangelo, employed, namely the design of the artist or engineer. All that is required is that we prove it. No small task.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">But how did the engineer come to be. As with ID and other First Cause theologies you have simply traded one creation for another. Its still "turtles all the way down".

JR

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But how did the engineer come to be. As with ID and other First Cause theologies you have simply traded one creation for another. Its still "turtles all the way down".
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Any theory has to begin with a cosmology. I like those of Van Flandern and Arp (for different reasons). Both consider the universe to be indefinitely if not infinitely old. In cosmologies, you always end with (or begin with) Unanswered Questions such as; how did life begin in the first place? If the universe "always existed" then maybe so did life. Or it may have evolved in cosmic dust clouds, or gradually on several different worlds. Anyway, I can live with the unanswered questions, in other words, speculations and guesses.

The point for me is that I have no difficulty imagining life existing on other planets capable of sustaining life before it evolved here on earth. One such place may have been Planet V (or elsewhere). I think we are seeing some record of a previous civilization’s activities on Mars, perhaps their former moon or a colonized outpost. I also have no difficulty imagining a transfer of DNA from planet to planet (i.e., panspermia; several scientists have demonstrated that it is possible), or even sometimes a transfer of intelligent species.

To answer your question, their engineers got there the same way ours got here. They were born. Then they studied the art and science of engineering, and then they created or built like ours do.

Neil

Neil:

Are you THE Neil DeRosa who wrote: Apocryphal Science?

Since the subject of UFOs hoaxes came up briefly in this topic, I thought this might be a good place for this. I don't intend to start a conversation on UFOs but this happens to be something I've had first hand interaction with in 1986.

I'm just going to post the link for anyone who might be interested. There's no advertising or anything like that involved, and it is fairly compelling.

The author, Robert Hastings, was a friend of mine at college in Stockton California during those years. He put himself through school by travelling the country giving this speech. I saw it once myself and got to look at the documents first hand. I still have copies of a couple.

Mr. Hastings took a somewhat different approach on the subject of UFOs. Instead of trying to convince us that UFOs exist, what he attempted to do was convince the audience that <b>the US Military behaves as though <i>THEY BELIEVE</i></b> that UFOs exist.

It's very believable.

www.freedomdomain.com/ufo/ufo02.html

Somehow the ESA fiasco with the "horn" on the Cydonia face, reminded me of this.

rd

Back in October Neil posted one of Dr. Ressler's “photographs” of trees that resembled a young woman's face taken from his website.


Untitled - (Ressler).

Well has anybody seen the promotional poster for Sandra Bullocks new film - Premonition?



I wonder if Dr. Ressler was an artistic consultant (LOL)?

Zip Monster.

Good find ZM. I believe when the time is right, "elaborate pareidolia" will become a recognized "school" of art, a new genre.

Neil

I thought I would elaborate a little (pardon the pun) now that I have some free time. Notice the two crows flying at exactly the right place to be Sandra’s nostrils. Notice also the pretty clusters of leaves that make up her irises, the one on our left even has a neat round opening for a pupil of light, and the other has just a hint of light to suggest a gleam!

Note the arrangement of branches that denote brows, lashes, feminine features, and even a kind of tear/highlight on the left eye (our view). Note the array of loose leaves that make up her nose outline, an attractive one at that. And what about the tree trunk that coincides perfectly with the outline of the left side of the face, and for the other side? The sky backdrop is a little darker shade of gray to coincide with both the outline of that side of the face and also to provide shading to give the face some 3-dimensional form (not actual, but artistically). And everything's symmetrical.

There a lot more, this elaborate-pareidolia scene was created by an accomplished artist using the latest photoshop graphics.

In the interest of full disclosure, I’m one of those guys that can always see the face of the stunt men during movie brawls and action scenes—did you know that Angelina Jolie used a male stunt person for her Tomb-Raider action scenes? I can also see a loose nut and bolt at a ¼ mile away and I don’t even have good eyes.