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10 years 10 months ago #21923 by Marsevidence01

One other thing I'd like to say, in the spirit of fair play, and in the same spirit that you're asking me to keep and open mind. Consider giving some thought to the fact that we may be right and that this is all a classic manifestation of pareidolia (modern). Learn about it. Who knows, you may end up having the same epiphany I had.

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Rich, I want you to say something here about my personal opinion concerning Pareidolia (modern). I am really quite aware of how this eye/mind interaction does work and, I have over time given the process a personal review of each and every image I critique (see). While Pareidolia (modern) can come into play at any time, I can assure you here in words, that I do not find this phenomenon occurring in my research. I can explain this if required but at another time.

To me, there appears to be a flaw in this evaluation so, let us address the underlying objective here as this lies at the very essence of the dilemma.

1. We observe apparent patterns in the images which appear to have a creative design in their composition.

2. None of the apparent patterns <i>can</i> be artificial or of intelligent design because the current model holds that; there is no intelligent life on Mars.

3. Therefor, all of the apparent observable patterns must be either a) of natural origin or b) the result of the observer experiencing a pareidolic episode or c) both.

In conclusion; if any one or several patterns could be definitively established as a preconceived production of intelligent design, then this result should negate the conclusion that all patterns are either a,b or c.

In short, one confirmed discovery of intelligent design will in effect, change almost everything and will require a reevaluation of <i>all</i> possible images previously defined as; no further interest.

In setting this precedence, we have side stepped the very basis of science. Two camps are thus created and never the two shall meet.

To me, the very principle of science is the mechanism we use to explore the unknown, to go where we have no knowledge, to unravel the evidence however strange it may be and to place a hypothetical model before us and then to test and re-test.

So I say this, if there is evidence that shows in our observations a repeatable model of an image of patterns, then we need to establish what it is in these patterns that is being repeated.

If we conclude, if in any patterns show a conducive coherence common to one and other, then we must predict the possibility of an outside influence affecting the patterns we observe.

This then, sets the stage for the probability of intelligent design.

Conversely, if we do not observe any conducive coherence in a set of independent patterns, we could conclude that the pattern is probably of natural origin.

Now therefore, in cases where pareidolia (modern) seems evident, such as the image of a face, we must explore the composition of the anomalies in order to ascertain if there are any similarities observable in various faces and/or artifacts. So, we test the image itself and NOT just the fact that it looks like a face removing any precipitous conclusions.

This is most critical.

Do we see any similarities in the patterns of faces which are conducive and coherent?

From the results of my research, undoubtedly yes.

For a simplified example; in the image below, what are the conducive coherence's?

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1. All three depict various forms of human emotion.
2. All three are round and yellow.
3. All three have a gray shadow below.

My point here is that we are missing critical data based on the assumption that all observable faces etc cannot be artificial (intelligently designed) because:

1. There is no current model there is life on Mars
2. There is no human capability which currently exists that could produce the observed phenomenons should they be considered as artificial.

While number one above is easily understandable, it is number two that has more the ability to ratify the present persuasion. This is what I refer to to as human chauvinism and in my opinion, is responsible for our present inability to address let alone understand the intelligence I am convinced resides or inhabits on the planet.

Over the past two years or so, I have step by step begun to unravel the nature of that intelligence and will try to explain my findings the best way I can.

In order to understand this, I will ask that one take an inward journey of realization that what we are dealing with here appears to be a highly intelligent life form but more importantly, and I can not stress this enough, a highly artistic life form which has the capability to form imagery of vast dimensions both in span and depth on the Martian surface. So, in order to grasp their know how, one must be prepared to educate ourselves on the method of multidimensional viewing.

I will try to post my research in both pictorial and video content. Also, I will be posting most all further imagery in anaglyph renditions. This allows the viewer to add additional depth.

In the link below, I suggest downloading (for better quality) this rather special video and ask that the viewer take the time to watch this very carefully indeed.

You will see a beautiful rendition of incredible artwork and the amazing talent of the alien mind and ability. I will add, this may take several viewings of the 20 min video to grasp the intention of the scene. I will give you some helpful pointers.

Firstly, this is a very slow moving film intended to allow the viewer's eyes to adjust to the scenery. Secondly, there is great depth of field and is indicated so by the white areas in the background. They are intended to give depth of field perhaps as cliffs of even clouds. They may appear either concave or convex. The latter is preferable.

The scene depicts a sort of span of a contrived countryside with fields and trees and bushes. Once one gets to see the depth of field, you will start to see the faint images of caricatures. There are many cartoonized faces embedded into the environment. Instances of apparent life can also be caught out of the corner of the viewer's capture.

Remember, the mind of the alien works in the arena of IMPRESSIONISM and not reality!!

This surface is a work of art. Every area of gray and black has its purpose. There is NOT one square meter here that is not part of the intended scene. Consider the video as a canvass of surrealistic paint of the artists hand. A story book picture.

drive.google.com/file/d/0B--tam0uh-oiVWN...Z1E/edit?usp=sharing

More to come.

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10 years 10 months ago #22319 by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Marsevidence01</i>
<br />Rich, I want you to say something here about my personal opinion concerning Pareidolia (modern). I am really quite aware of how this eye/mind interaction does work and, I have over time given the process a personal review of each and every image I critique (see). While Pareidolia (modern) can come into play at any time, I can assure you here in words, that I do not find this phenomenon occurring in my research. I can explain this if required but at another time.

To me, there appears to be a flaw in this evaluation so, let us address the underlying objective here as this lies at the very essence of the dilemma.

1. We observe apparent patterns in the images which appear to have a creative design in their composition.

2. None of the apparent patterns <i>can</i> be artificial or of intelligent design because the current model holds that; there is no intelligent life on Mars.

3. Therefor, all of the apparent observable patterns must be either a) of natural origin or b) the result of the observer experiencing a pareidolic episode or c) both.

In conclusion; if any one or several patterns could be definitively established as a preconceived production of intelligent design, then this result should negate the conclusion that all patterns are either a,b or c.

In short, one confirmed discovery of intelligent design will in effect, change almost everything and will require a reevaluation of <i>all</i> possible images previously defined as; no further interest.

In setting this precedence, we have side stepped the very basis of science. Two camps are thus created and never the two shall meet.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Malcolm, before I go on to talk about specifics, there are a couple of things I need to get out of the way.

A while back you said you read this whole Topic. On two occasions after that, I've seen things that leads me to believe you didn't, and again here, it seems to me that you didn't. On one other occasion I asked you to confirm that you read the whole thing, including the Superstitious S study, but you didn't answer me.

Don't get me wrong, reading this whole thing would be an undertaking that not many would take, but if you didn't we're at somewhat of an impasse because I find myself repeating the same things over and over again.

Let me give you an example. In the quote above you say the following. [I presume it is to show why the pareidolia camp is hampered from seeing these images for what they truly are.]:

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">1. We observe apparent patterns in the images which appear to have a creative design in their composition.

2. None of the apparent patterns <i>can</i> be artificial or of intelligent design because the current model holds that; there is no intelligent life on Mars.

3. Therefor, all of the apparent observable patterns must be either a) of natural origin or b) the result of the observer experiencing a pareidolic episode or c) both. <b>Malcolm</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Anyone who has been following this for a long enough time, or who heard what I said about it over the last few days, knows that (2) and (3) really don't apply to me, although they do probably apply to mainstream scientists.

In my case:

1. I started off skeptical.
2. Later I became convinced we were dealing with intelligent design.
3. After thousands of images, in the final analysis I <b>concluded</b> all the so-called Martian Art was most likely to be pareidolia (modern).

So, your chain of logic in 1,2,3 simply does not apply to me, although I know many people who it does apply to. But I don't say, "Ok, I know there's no life on Mars and never has been, therefore it's all pareidolia." But rather, "The characteristics of pareidolia (modern) have been shown be significant enough to explain all of the images we've looked at, and nobody has ever presented a strong enough case to shatter that." The Superstitious S study confirmed, as Jrich said, "What is significant though is that it shows that the human brain can be trained to very effectively find patterns in even completely random noise and that the patterns that it finds are at least somewhat influenced by individual biases concerning what such patterns should look like."

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">In conclusion; if any one or several patterns could be definitively established as a preconceived production of intelligent design, then this result should negate the conclusion that all patterns are either a,b or c.

In short, one confirmed discovery of intelligent design will in effect, change almost everything and will require a reevaluation of <i>all</i> possible images previously defined as; no further interest. <b>Malcolm</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Yes, this is something Tom spoke extensively about and as far as he was concerned The Cydonia Face was <b>proven </b>to be artificial.

Many of us are still waiting for the proof though, and have long since concluded that none of the images we've looked at so far were high enough resolution to close the deal. In recent years we've gotten some much higher resolution images, but all they've done is bolster our case that the Martian Landscape is natural.

It seems to me that by "putting the car before the horse" (your words, if I remember correctly), you are making the mistake you are trying to get us not to make, only in reverse (regarding your Nos 2 and 3) thusly:

This is what I believe you are doing:
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
1. We observe apparent patterns in the images which appear to have a creative design in their composition.

2. There is (was) intelligent life on Mars. All of the apparent patterns <i>can</i> be artificial or of intelligent design because the current model holds that;

3. Intelligent life lived on and dotted the landscape with artwork, so therefore these patterns must be Artworks.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

That is the classic case of using one's assumption as proof of his assertion! It's totally invalid, in my opinion.


So what should you conclude by all of what I just said? It's easy. You're going to have to present actual, visual, convincing proof, that stands on its own. Larry's "shovel", the "proverbial watch", or an image semi-equivalent to the first image on Page 1 of this Topic. That's why it's there.

We're never going to get anywhere if it requires the people you are trying to convince, to convince themselves first and then look at your images. The images are going to have to be what convinces us.

Do you see what I'm saying?

rd

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10 years 10 months ago #21924 by Marsevidence01
Do you see what I'm saying?

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Rich,

Yes I do see what it is that you are saying and I disagree.

It does appear that I should throw my towel in here. Unfortunately, I do not have any images with the resolution of Yosemite on page 1 neither do I have a shovel with "Made on Mars" stamped on it.

I shall take my leave and bid you farewell.

Many thanks
Malcolm

Malcolm Scott

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10 years 10 months ago #22024 by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Marsevidence01</i>
<br />Yes I do see what it is that you are saying and I disagree.

It does appear that I should throw my towel in here. Unfortunately, I do not have any images with the resolution of Yosemite on page 1 neither do I have a shovel with "Made on Mars" stamped on it.

I shall take my leave and bid you farewell.

Many thanks
Malcolm
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Malcolm, don't be too hasty. You may be the one who ends up having the last laugh. All I'm trying to say is that in order to convince someone, you have to have convincing material. Maybe the "shovel" or "Yosemite" is a bit of a stretch, but the whole idea that you can start by saying there's life there, therefore these are artworks, goes counter to sound scientific thought.

If you have a strong belief that you're right, you should keep trying it out on us. We might be the most captive audience you're ever going to get.

I merely wanted to point out that we didn't arrive at where we are through bias and preconceived ideas, we arrived here because we've been looking at this stuff for a long time, and studying it.

In my opinion, cartoon type images are the easiest to see pareidolically because there are no rules. Anything that remotely looks like a mouth and eyes can easily be fused into a cartoon shape head, since we've been looking at all sorts of cartoons our whole lives, and especially since we were very young.

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10 years 10 months ago #21925 by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Marsevidence01</i>
<br />In the link below, I suggest downloading (for better quality) this rather special video and ask that the viewer take the time to watch this very carefully indeed.

drive.google.com/file/d/0B--tam0uh-oiVWN...Z1E/edit?usp=sharing
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">By the way Malcolm. What do you mean by "downloading" this? It's a link to a video, and when I click on it, it plays. I don't know what you mean by "downloading it for better quality."

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10 years 10 months ago #21926 by Marsevidence01
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rderosa</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Marsevidence01</i>
<br />In the link below, I suggest downloading (for better quality) this rather special video and ask that the viewer take the time to watch this very carefully indeed.

drive.google.com/file/d/0B--tam0uh-oiVWN...Z1E/edit?usp=sharing
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">By the way Malcolm. What do you mean by "downloading" this? It's a link to a video, and when I click on it, it plays. I don't know what you mean by "downloading it for better quality."

rd
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Yes you can view the video in the Google client but if you download the video and play it pack with your hard drive, the quality is somewhat better.

Malcolm Scott

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