My pareidolia knows no bounds.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by neilderosa</i>
<br />The logical leaps in this post are astounding [Larry, Mark, and Tom, am I allowed to say that? I don't really know anymore, as we become more and more deeply mired in confusion here, my choice is either to ignore it all or risk getting "into trouble" with the powers that be.]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Just stick to the scientific arguments and say nothing about the poster, whom you should take literally and assume to be sincere. A good practice is to wait a day or more before responding, allowing time for passions to be overcome by reason.

So don't <i>characterize</i> someone's logical leaps, which is equivalent to name-calling. Patiently explain what is illogical and why. As a working mental model, think of your message as responding to the world rather than the particular poster, because every message represents the views of many unseen readers. -|Tom|-

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by pareidoliac</i>
<br /> Artists didn't overlook it, and it is one ofr their secrets. They painted these images. ("I do not seek, I find". Picasso.)
That these images were not looked for, and so overlooked is part of their phenomena.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes, I can immediately see that Picasso's comment is exactly relevent to this subject. As I looked through 100s of photos, I was trying to see what I could "find". In other words, I was specifically looking for faces. Once you find it, (assuming one had the artist's painting skills) it would seem to be very straighforward painting what you found. I wonder if there is an analogy to song writing, also. I once heard Bob Dylan describe how he remembers the words to some of his really long and complicated songs, like "Visions of Johanna" by thinking in terms of the whole story. In other words, as a story there are really no words to remember, he just tells the story again. I can't help wondering if he "found" the story originally in some analogous way to Picasso's finding of images to paint.

rd

Pareidolia is the phenomena of seeing faces/figures/forms in patterns; as opposed to where one normally sees faces/figures/forms (on animals including people/landscapes etc.)

Pareidolia is seeing what appears to the individual to be a representation of a face, figure, or form in the clouds, wood grain, marble, smoke, shadows, or any non-homogeneous area. It can also be an auditory phenomenon as in hearing white noise or a record played backward that sounds to the individual like words or a melody that isn't actually there.

Yes all art has pareidolic or hallucinogenic origin, whether visual, auditory, literary, olfactory, kinesthetic, or linguistic.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by neilderosa</i>
<br /> Why even Fred, who is presumably and expert in the field of optical illusions, when he first saw the image of the Profile girl, intimated that it was only mediocre art, (thus implying that it was real)Neil<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Fred's answer to my question about the Profile girl wasn't deleted. Here it is:

"Since you asked... the photo seems natural enough to me, but could be done by a half decent "artist." " -fred

The first part of his answer is "natural", but then he offered an honest opinion that it "could be" an artist's work. I agree.


rd

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">So don't characterize someone's logical leaps, which is equivalent to name-calling. Patiently explain what is illogical and why. As a working mental model, think of your message as responding to the world rather than the particular poster, because every message represents the views of many unseen readers. -|Tom|-<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

This whole set up seems one sided to me but never mind, if I don't like it I don't have to be here. As to what's illogical; in two juxtaposed sentences rich characterizes the face as having cracks, and by implication because he did not give reasons to the contrary, that it was hollow and artificial. And in sentence two he says, (paraphrasing), that is why the mainstream considers it as a pile of rocks. I say that is illogical. Ther are numerous other examples.

[ad hominem paragraph deleted by Moderator -- tvf]

If both hands must be tied behind my back, while Richie has free reign; perhaps this message board is not big enough for both of us.

Neil

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Originally posted by neilderosa

Why even Fred, who is presumably and expert in the field of optical illusions, when he first saw the image of the Profile girl, intimated that it was only mediocre art, (thus implying that it was real)Neil

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Fred's answer to my question about the Profile girl wasn't deleted.
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It was deleated. By LB. You just didn't see it. Perhaps you were busy during that time.

Neil