My pareidolia knows no bounds.

Pareidolic images (always, not man made) can be of 3D objects. See Alexander Boe's images of faces naturally carved in rocks for example. Non-pareidolic images (all man made) like Mount Rushmore can also be 3D. The determining factor in pareidolia has nothing to do with demension but with their being naturally found and un-man made, or altered, or created by man.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by pareidoliac</i>
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I agree. I don't think just because a feature is "re-imaged" at another emission angle necessarily means pareidolia is precluded.

Also, for an example of how a large change in emission angle does't affect our ability to tell it's <b>not</b> pareidolia, see page 4 of this topic, the Sparky demonstration.

rd

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by pareidoliac</i>
<br />Pareidolic images (always, not man made) can be of 3D objects. See Alexander Boe's images of faces naturally carved in rocks for example.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Of course, but that misses my point completely. Even when the image is of a 3-D object, the pareidolic image itself is only 2-D. A true 3-D image requires too much detail to be simulated by accident.

To return to the Old Man in the Mountain example, the rock formation may be 3-D, but it looks like a face <i>profile</i> from only a very limited range of viewing angles. At other viewing angles, the illusion disappears. Mt. Rushmore looks like four faces from any viewing angle under any lighting conditions.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The determining factor in pareidolia has nothing to do with demension but with their being naturally found and un-man made, or altered, or created by man.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That is useless for our discussion because we are considering possibly artificial images on Mars, which (as far as we know) could not have been created by humans. Given proved artificiality of some of these images elsewhere, we need only a preponderance of evidence to conclude that other images are artificial rather than pareidolic. Without that proven artificiality, we would require a much higher level of evidence that an image was not created by nature.

Given that some images on Mars are of artifacts, then we need only ask of other images: "If this image were taken on Earth, would we conclude that it was more likely naturally formed or that it was created by humans?" For example, we ask such questions about the animal artwork on the plains at Nasca in Peru. -|Tom|-

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rderosa</i>
<br />I'm asking you to commit to the image I posted, and then we take it from there. I thought we agreed to that.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I'm sorry for the discontinuity, but that is what a week of foreign travel can do. But I thought the image you showed was an excerpt from the one I analyzed. If not, please mention where yours came from (image id) so I can look up the applicable analysis or commence a new one. -|Tom|-

Tom- i get your point. Sounds like you don't 1.have enough viewing angles. or 2. Enough lighting angles causing definitive enough shadows, to show the 3D shape of the mars face. It could still be relatively 2D and "mars-man made." i assume you've seen all these images of the face on
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Face looks like anomalous pareidolia to me when viewing other 3D protrusions and their shadows in the area, as seen in other photos which include the mars face.
Dr. fred ressler O.D.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Tom- i get your point. Sounds like you don't 1.have enough viewing angles. or 2. Enough lighting angles causing definitive enough shadows, to show the 3D shape of the mars face. It could still be relatively 2D and "mars-man made." i assume you've seen all these images of the face on
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Face looks like anomalous pareidolia to me when viewing other 3D protrusions and their shadows in the area, as seen in other photos which include the mars face.
Dr. fred ressler O.D.
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Fred, In order to advance the, “pareidolia can be elaborate—is frequently elaborate—hypothesis” it would now seem like a good idea to do demonstration here similar to the one JP Levasseur did in his paper in demonstrating the differences between the Profile Image on Mars and known cases of pareidolia (and other psychological illusions) on Earth (MRB Vol.13 No. 4).

For such an exercise one would want to include: context images, target object at different viewing angles, scales, seasons, and lighting; types of photo enhancements used on object, object imaged with different enhancements, or none at all. This is what we tried to do (when possible) with Mars pictures, to advance the theory that they were not pareidolia. Also, can you please give us the source (e.g., photo shop, physical source, any independent verification of the image, and acquisition parameters). As you know of course, going by what an image “looks like” is only the first step in the process.

One example: I’m pretty sure this is not yours. When showing a picture of a man’s face painted on a cat’s head, we would like some kind of assurance (other than “trust me”) that the face was not painted on by the cat’s owner.

Neil