Faces from the Chasmas

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"I can accept "crowned face" and "Barbara" as legitimate flat art. But I don't yet see a way for them to stand on their own as artificial. Does anybody? [TVF]"

Well, Neil if your looking for somekind of cultural context and iconographic relationship for the Crowned Face, I may have an answer for you.

Have you and your brother (rd) or TVF read this article by The Cydonia Institute on the Crowned Face?

[url] herotwins.hypermart.net/Crowned/CrownedFace.htm [/url]

Zip Monster

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Have you and your brother (rd) or TVF read this article by The Cydonia Institute on the Crowned Face? ZM
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> I read your article.

My brother so far as I know still thinks it's all Paradoolia, especially my stuff. I believe TVF objects to the use of mirroring in any scientific analysis, and I tend to agree with that (this subject has come up more than once on the MRMB).

However, I do see one redeeming benefit in mirroring from an art apreciation point of view. One can take the best half of a Mars glyph and multiply the good qualities twofold, (by mirroring it), which gives a strong impression of a real face. But one should not then analyze scientifically what we ourselves have created for artistic reasons, unless we make clear that we are merely analyzing our own creation and not something intrinsic to the glyph itself.

That said, I especially liked your opening paragraph wherein you gave a clear concise description of the qualities that make the Crownface compelling as an artificial structure.

Neil

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by neilderosa</i>
<br />I believe TVF objects to the use of mirroring in any scientific analysis, and I tend to agree with that (this subject has come up more than once on the MRMB).......

However, I do see one redeeming benefit in mirroring from an art apreciation point of view. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I said a long time ago that I believed the only legitimate "massaging" of the data is in the contrast, brightness, gamma, and the like, where all the original data is left in its place and basically we're just adjusting the highs and lows at each pixel. Or by filtering, kernel averaging, and the like. I would also include histogram adjustments as legitimate, but you have to be careful because in that case we're changing the numbers of pixels at each grayscale level in a little more systematic way. That may only be legitimate up to a point, and then not anymore.

I'm totally opposed of the notion of mirroring, especially when it's done as in Fig. 5 when something that's on an angle to the line of sight is mirrored, producing a v (or inverted v) shaped object. Sure you can say it's "artistic" like using the "effects" menu in Photoshop, but it adds no scientific value at all. I don't look at a mirrored image and think that tells me something that I didn't already see. I just think I'm seeing a bunch of false effects. They're cool, but that's about it.

I'd be willing to bet you could get some pretty interesting effects by mirroring a ham sandwich, but I'll pass on that one for now.

On the other hand, Greg Orme's thesis was very interesting, and I did see all the faces he was talking about. The matching of the various squiggles was a little questionable, though.

rd

rd,

many detractors of the composite/two-faced model of aesthetic design - tend to focus too much attention on the idea of “mirroring” - without fully comprehending the process. They revert to pompous statements such as proclaiming that mirroring is dubious and "just for fun" or the results are no better than finding images in a ham sandwich, - such as you have. Surly we can elevate the debate beyond such foolish remarks.

Respectively, mirroring is only used as a “tool,” offered to aid the viewer in evaluating the individual elements of these sometimes overtly complex artworks. To dismiss any artistic design that features half and bifurcated visages or graphics from the artificial debate are totally misguided and disingenuous. Your camp is dismissing an entire venue of composite art produced throughout the Pre-Columbian world and is insulting to the indigenous peoples of the Americas.

If you were not aware, the cultures of Mesoamerica utilized half and bifurcated faces and composite images in all aspects of their artwork. Secondly, archaeologists are aware of these composite artwoks and the "dreaded" mirroring process is sometimes utilized by academics to analyze these partial and incomplete motifs.

It’s a fact that Mesoamerican artifacts have been mirrored by researchers in books and published papers, however the authors hesitate to use the word “mirror.” They choose to use more acceptable verbiage such as “reconstruct” or “duplicate.” So, instead of saying the artifact is mirrored, they will say they are “duplicating” the available design to create a whole image. This is a practice that is no different than “duplicating” or “reconstructing” half and bifurcated images found on Mars. Mirroring does not create the identified facial features, it only duplicates them.

Detractors of the “mirroring” process have offered no explanation for excluding all bifurcated and composite imagery - that has been documented as established art forms - from the debate. They refused to acknowledge their aid in evaluating the growing stable of comparable geoglyphic structures that we are finding on Mars. These detractors will only accept a completely symmetrical model for any proposed art form found on Mars. This limited criteria excludes all half, bifurcated and composite faces. This bias criteria is highly discriminative of any deviance from this symmetrical ideal and is at best poor science. Particularly in light of all the evidence to the contrary , that being the composite two-faced model set by The Cydonia Institute.

I also find if odd that you and others 9here) appear to be constantly searching for a connective marker that unifies some underlining context that is shared between these Martian geoglyphs, however when presented with a group of viable correlations that are repeated throughout a substantial set of geoglyphs – you dismiss it as just “fun.”

Over the past 15 years I have not only accumulated and archived over 3 dozen examples of half and bifurcated faces throughout the Cydonia area (and elsewhere on Mars), but I have also found highly detailed profiled works. And if you are looking for a cohesive correlation between these artworks, it has already been established and set fort...it’s a Mesoamerican connection.

Of all the geoglyphs that I have cataloged over the past 15 years on Mars, they have all confirmed a direct correlation with the cultures of Mesoamerica. This has happened over and over again. This consistent relationship includes a distinct set of iconographic motifs and ornamentation that adhere to common mythos and context.

Lets see you do that with a ham sandwich.

Zip Monster

Zip Monster,

I'd be willing to bet you ten thousand dollars that I could write a graduate level paper on the "bifurcated ham sandwich". With mirrored pictures and all. I gaurantee it.

rd

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Wow! That's wild and crazy stuff. It would seem I have inadvertantly corroborated both the existence of the shadow Babs, and her likeness to your original one. So Crownface is Shadow Babs' right eye inverted.

Bravo!

I still think they're pareidolia, but from a theme perspective, that's pretty amazing, and in all fairness, I must score one for your side...[rd] <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Pareidolia with a theme. An interesting concept.

[Definition of “theme” from the web: “a unifying idea that is a recurrent element in a literary or artistic work.”]