New image of the Cydonia Face 4-13-06

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by starjim</i>
<br />There is no real proof of a "crater" on the face so it becomes a best guess from which to work from.

There is no real proof that the face is composed of metal so it becomes a best guess from which to work from.

There is no real proof that the face is a hollow structure so it beomes a best guess from which to work from.

There is no real proof that the face is mirror-symetrical so it becomes a best guess from which to work from.

There is no real proof the the face is bi-furcated so it becomes a best guess from which to work from.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I think you're jumping the gun a little bit here Jim. I'd go so far as to say there's no real proof of artificiality, and leave it at that. I see no reason why we have to build an elaborate model with bells and whistles galore. If and when we have concrete proof of artificiality (that can't be ignored), that is going to be so mind-boggling an event that I can't even begin to think of all the ramifications. Once that happens, I really wouldn't care all that much if it turns out to have 3 heads and a .....(deleted).


<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by starjim</i>
There is no real proof that you, I, TVM, ZM, MSSS, NASA has the correct skills to process images so it becomes a best guess from which to work from.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Speak for yourself. I actually know what I'm doing. And when I don't, I know who to ask. The first thing a person learns when entering the world of high technology is "what to ask". The second thing is "who to ask".

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by starjim</i>
There is just too much me-ism in this whole thing, my Nefrititi is better than your bi-furcated face...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I don't remember saying any such thing. But now that you brought it up, there is one very important point that should be made. The thing that is most striking about the Nefertiti Scene is that it is composed of: A Girl, A Man, A Woman, and A Dog! And they all look like normal human beings (you know what I mean, regarding Rinny). The rest of the argument is obvious.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by starjim</i>
A SERIOUS SCIENTIFIC MIND would do everything possible to explore the possibilities of the opposite position simply to bolster their own theories. What has occurred to this point is little more than accusations and half hearted efforts to make other ideas look silly.
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Again, I disagree. What seems silly to me, is the notion that there are all these elaborate features all over the place, made of jade and welded leaves, and ornaments, etc. If any of that turns out to be true, I'll eat a ten gallon hat. And then I'll buy you the best steak dinner in the country.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by starjim</i>before dismissing the idea out of hand with I won't even read the thing if it contains anything that is mirrored.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Like I said in my first post on this subject, I had no pre-conceived notions about "mirroring". My objections to what I saw since then were (a) I don't think we should be using negatives as the final product, and (b) if you're going to mirror, you have to mirror from the Y axis (or X, or Origin), not any ole place that suits your theory.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by starjim</i>
We are in a real fight today with science as a whole and real discoveries are being cast by the wayside with a simple 'it doesn't fit the accepted paradigms'<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Like I said, I think you're getting way ahead of yourself. We're all here (or a lot of us, anyway) because we've seen something that makes us believe in the artificiality hypothesis, as it relates to Mars. That should be the first goal. In my opinion what we have here is a case of good old fashion "one upsmanship", which Americans are famous for. Take a look at the "Trekkies". They're not happy with just liking Star Trek, they have to build a life style around it.

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Hello everyone.

First off, I'd like to say hello to Dr. TVF. I had the unique oportunity to hear you speak in Washington DC about 2 years ago at the X-Conference. You managed to arouse the curiosity of the friends I had with me. I've been a vocal supporter of your work and theories even before that. I've referenced your website material too many times to count over the past several years. I have nothing but respect for you. You have, imho, certainly furthered the cause which is as I <i><b>still</i></b> see it, legitimization for AOC.

That said... I really hate to tell you all... but Zip Monster, aka George Haas, was and is absolutely right. He just didn't quite 'get' the big picture. With all due respect though, he didn't have my geometry map to help guide him. I can't imagine being able to unlock Cydonia's secrets without it. Link to 8mb image of my detailed Cydonia geometry work.

Please take my web tour at www.maxtheknife.com

Once you make your way to the main page, be sure not to miss 9 months worth of detailed journal entries that I call my 'Gallery Pages'.

You'll notice within those gallery pages I verified geometrically that Saunders' and Haas' mirrors (at least the few major ones that I checked) are indeed legitimate by virtue of the fact that their mirrors fall within the framework of the astounding and revealing Geometry of Cydonia.

Unfortunately... they just weren't doing the Face itself right... You all won't believe your eyes... Enjoy. []

Hey Zip, I wish you would comment on what I've done. You haven't had much to say since we met... Are you disappointed about not getting the FOM right? Or are you thrilled that I proved you right? I'm dyin' to know!

Max,

You are new, so I'll just alert you to the rules here. This is a scientific discussion board, not a site for advertizing anything, including other web sites. All discussions here must be self-contained here, with all points on the table in these messages. Links are for graphics or citations to back up discussion points. No one should have to click on your links to participate in any discussion you might want to have here. So "see my site and let's talk about it" is very much out of order. If your web site is supported by ads, then it is doubly out of order.

Also, if you and Zip have a history, duke it out elsewhere. The Moderators here don't want to see any kind of shots at people. Critique ideas, not persons or motives.

That said, welcome to the discussion. I'm just leaving on overseas travel for 12 days. But for the others, say what you know or think you know that isn't common knowledge by now and hasn't already been discussed ad nauseum on this Board. You will then get some frank feedback because we have well-qualified proponents and opponents of the artificiality hypothesis who can each make a strong case for their position. So be prepared to defend your ideas or work scientifically and without taking offense. -|Tom|-

No ads at all on my website... none. And frankly, there's too much there for me to begin to illustrate point by point on any forum.

The first link is to actual measured work. So is the rest of the website.

I don't see any other way to introduce you to all that I've done. Click, read, then suggest a course of action for discussion.

Nothing for me and Zip to 'duke' out... so no worries there either. We're friends as far as I know! [8D]

Just click on the links. If you don't want to... that would certainly be a shame. There are always exceptions to the rules []

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by MaxtheKnife</i>
<br />I don't see any other way to introduce you to all that I've done.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Pretend that all of us are averse to clicking on links (which is not far from the truth). So far, you just sound like a door-to-door salesman, which we all wish to avoid like the plaque and don't even care what you are peddling. Telling us what your are peddling won't cure the malaise because &gt;90% of all Cydonia sites are not worth any scientist's time.

So start by reviewing this topic on this Message Board and commenting. What's your position on mirroring? On various tests for artificiality? On "special geometry" and how one recognizes it? On the "equalize" function? On bilateral symmetry vs. dual faces at Cydonia? Etc. Speak up so we know whether you know what you are talking about. Any dialog begins with an introduction. Introduce yourself before you try to sell us something. -|Tom|-

I answer all of those questions on my site.

With all due respect... just take the tour. I can appreciate your apprehension about stangers posting strange links, but like I said, there are exceptions to every rule and I'm through pretending. I'm trying to let you all in on a little secret here... ok? []

Edit: This forum probably isn't for me anyway... I just thought it was time <i><b>you</i></b> heard. So... there it is, now you know. Sorry if I disrupted things.