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20 years 4 months ago #11264
by Jan
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Wisp,
If this is true then there is no barrier for Podkletnov to take his appartus to MIT, Caltech or whatever institution. The scientists in these institutions are certainly willing to test his rig...
Why all these interviews and projects shrouded in secrecy? [}] Just have other people replicate your result, that is all that it takes. The Scientific Method is so straightforward in that regard.
If this is true then there is no barrier for Podkletnov to take his appartus to MIT, Caltech or whatever institution. The scientists in these institutions are certainly willing to test his rig...
Why all these interviews and projects shrouded in secrecy? [}] Just have other people replicate your result, that is all that it takes. The Scientific Method is so straightforward in that regard.
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20 years 4 months ago #11354
by wisp
Replied by wisp on topic Reply from Kevin Harkess
Hi Jan
I am only supporting his work because it supports ideas from my theory about how gravity works.
I believe he knows he’s on to a winner and sees great commercial potential in his work.
However, holding back on this type of knowledge for whatever reason is not in the best interests of science. But commercial interests drive scientific development, and this could be the reason why his work is secret!
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I am only supporting his work because it supports ideas from my theory about how gravity works.
I believe he knows he’s on to a winner and sees great commercial potential in his work.
However, holding back on this type of knowledge for whatever reason is not in the best interests of science. But commercial interests drive scientific development, and this could be the reason why his work is secret!
wisp
- particles of nothingness
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20 years 4 months ago #11299
by Jan
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This is precisely the problem. All these outrageous claims of anti-gravity and free energy machines have commercial intentions. There can only be one truth: it is all nonsense.
Once again, Podkletnov and his followers merely need to take their rig to an accredited institution and have their results verified in an unambiguous manner. The Scientific Method need not threaten their commercial interests in any way.
In my view, all the guys are guilty as charged and that is why their so-called results are elusive. But if you innocent then you have nothing to hide...
This is precisely the problem. All these outrageous claims of anti-gravity and free energy machines have commercial intentions. There can only be one truth: it is all nonsense.
Once again, Podkletnov and his followers merely need to take their rig to an accredited institution and have their results verified in an unambiguous manner. The Scientific Method need not threaten their commercial interests in any way.
In my view, all the guys are guilty as charged and that is why their so-called results are elusive. But if you innocent then you have nothing to hide...
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20 years 4 months ago #11631
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Jan,
You seem like are very intelligent individual, however here you are being too idealistic. If this man has developed such a system he would never share the "trade secret" with those at MIT or Cal Tech. If he were to do this, they would immediately seize his process and carry it to new levels that would be patentable due to "improvements". The question is does this scientist love money more than science? How much does he have invested in the project and how much does he need to profit to break even? Maybe it is a hoax, only time will tell. Either it works or it doesn't, simple as that. But market economies, as great as they are, generate such obsticles to science....but they provide more capital for research than the alternative, so the trade off is fair I think.
You seem like are very intelligent individual, however here you are being too idealistic. If this man has developed such a system he would never share the "trade secret" with those at MIT or Cal Tech. If he were to do this, they would immediately seize his process and carry it to new levels that would be patentable due to "improvements". The question is does this scientist love money more than science? How much does he have invested in the project and how much does he need to profit to break even? Maybe it is a hoax, only time will tell. Either it works or it doesn't, simple as that. But market economies, as great as they are, generate such obsticles to science....but they provide more capital for research than the alternative, so the trade off is fair I think.
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20 years 4 months ago #11356
by Larry Burford
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Story A - anti gravity technology was perfected decades ago, propulsion systems were designed and manufactured in large quantities, and are the basis of a fleet of hyper-secret armed military space craft that never get used.
Story B - anti gravity technology is in the very early stages of discovery. Only a few people are able to get it to work, but when they do it works very well. The inventor's natural concers about premature disclosure (and loss of rightful credit and profit) have kept him from going public so far.
Story C - Fraud and-or incompetance/misunderstanding and-or wishful thinking/gullibility.
Story B - anti gravity technology is in the very early stages of discovery. Only a few people are able to get it to work, but when they do it works very well. The inventor's natural concers about premature disclosure (and loss of rightful credit and profit) have kept him from going public so far.
Story C - Fraud and-or incompetance/misunderstanding and-or wishful thinking/gullibility.
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20 years 4 months ago #11267
by Jeremy
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For reasons Tom mentioned in another post, Podkletnov's behavior has been dodgy at best. Fear of being outinvented doesn't ring true. To sell something commercially you have to pony up all the details and demonstrate a consistently working device. People are not going to give you their money if your idea is just in your head. Shouldn't Podkletnov shut up about gravity beams and the ilk until he has it worked out well enough to be consistently demonstrable? Would you make an outrageous claim like that knowing that people would think you a fool unless you prove yourself first? Podkletnov strikes me as making pronouncements to get in the limelight. The trade secret argument can be made for any new idea coming into the market.
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