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17 years 7 months ago #19687
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Thanks ZM. This is one of the images we've been waiting for. I hope someone with the tools will quickly zoom in on the full resolution jpeg 2000 image, and crop the eye, the two deep cracks on the damaged half of the face, the skin texture, the beard, and other areas of interest that have been discussed on this message board. Here is an opportunity to confirm or falsify our previous speculations.
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17 years 7 months ago #19688
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Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by neilderosa</i>
<br />I hope someone with the tools will quickly zoom in on the full resolution jpeg 2000 image...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I've been struggling with the various tools available, most of which are not prepared to deal with such large images. But I can offer this much of a tip for those attempting the job:
Go to marsoweb.nas.nasa.gov/HiRISE/hirise_images/ and pick your image. (The Cydonia image is the last one in the choices at the farthest right longitude box.) Tell Windows (or your OS) to "open" the file, and choose the full resolution version. When it finally opens, you can view it on-screen and use move and magnify or unmagnify as desired. But for full image processing, click the "Save As" icon and choose the format you prefer for your favorite image processing software.
I just picked up Photoshop CS3 to do this job right. CS3 is brand new this month, and is the first to support JPEG 2000 format images. However, due to an unfortunate bug in the image header, the Cydonia image is the only one of the many I have tried that cannot load in JPEG 2000 format. So I saved it as a bitmap, and also as a TIFF, since these do not throw away information.
The full-res image is impressive and answers many questions. But few of them were not already answered by the MGS and ESA-3D images. -|Tom|-
<br />I hope someone with the tools will quickly zoom in on the full resolution jpeg 2000 image...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I've been struggling with the various tools available, most of which are not prepared to deal with such large images. But I can offer this much of a tip for those attempting the job:
Go to marsoweb.nas.nasa.gov/HiRISE/hirise_images/ and pick your image. (The Cydonia image is the last one in the choices at the farthest right longitude box.) Tell Windows (or your OS) to "open" the file, and choose the full resolution version. When it finally opens, you can view it on-screen and use move and magnify or unmagnify as desired. But for full image processing, click the "Save As" icon and choose the format you prefer for your favorite image processing software.
I just picked up Photoshop CS3 to do this job right. CS3 is brand new this month, and is the first to support JPEG 2000 format images. However, due to an unfortunate bug in the image header, the Cydonia image is the only one of the many I have tried that cannot load in JPEG 2000 format. So I saved it as a bitmap, and also as a TIFF, since these do not throw away information.
The full-res image is impressive and answers many questions. But few of them were not already answered by the MGS and ESA-3D images. -|Tom|-
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17 years 7 months ago #19689
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Replied by PheoniX_VII on topic Reply from Fredrik Persson
The image in JPEG 2000 format is 289Mb, that’s an outstandingly big size for an image so the quality really got to be something. Still got 10 minutes of downloading in front of me though.
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17 years 7 months ago #19499
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Replied by neilderosa on topic Reply from Neil DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">However, be forewarned - even the Mona Lisa will start to dissolve into a pile of pockmarks - if you get too close to her smile. For, without the proper viewing distance even her luscious lips will begin to transform into swirls of pigment and fuzzy brush strokes [ZM]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
True enough, but the analyst may see the brushstrokes and be able to tell they are brushstrokes and not random markings. No one really ever thought it would be easy to prove (or demonstrate) artificiality on Mars, did they? I for one, just wanted the chance to try, and we now have another opportunity. If my brother Rich is right that the authorities act as though the artificiality hypothesis were true, (whether or not it really is), then we might assume that this HiRISE image allows them to breath easy. There are no obvious doors to the computer room inside the Face Mesa. There is no trussing to hold up the “beard.” The “eye” doesn’t seem to have photo-electric or solar cells in it, nor does it seem to be made of glass. (But we still can’t tell what color it is from this b&w image.)
Still there are some hopeful indications. One can interpret “brushstrokes” or more accurately, “chisel marks” in these hi-res views. The design of the “eye,” for example, could be interpreted as giving the illusion of reflectivity or “gleam” at the scale it was meant to be seen at. And we shouldn’t forget that this structure, which I still think is artificial, is very old. We are looking in effect at an ancient ruin.
Here are three preliminary croppings of PSP0032342210 Cydonia Face; all are compressed to fit the webpage format.
a- View of best preserved section of face.
b- Close-up of eye to hairline.
c- Unprecedented close-up of eye at 100% magnification and .25 m/p.
True enough, but the analyst may see the brushstrokes and be able to tell they are brushstrokes and not random markings. No one really ever thought it would be easy to prove (or demonstrate) artificiality on Mars, did they? I for one, just wanted the chance to try, and we now have another opportunity. If my brother Rich is right that the authorities act as though the artificiality hypothesis were true, (whether or not it really is), then we might assume that this HiRISE image allows them to breath easy. There are no obvious doors to the computer room inside the Face Mesa. There is no trussing to hold up the “beard.” The “eye” doesn’t seem to have photo-electric or solar cells in it, nor does it seem to be made of glass. (But we still can’t tell what color it is from this b&w image.)
Still there are some hopeful indications. One can interpret “brushstrokes” or more accurately, “chisel marks” in these hi-res views. The design of the “eye,” for example, could be interpreted as giving the illusion of reflectivity or “gleam” at the scale it was meant to be seen at. And we shouldn’t forget that this structure, which I still think is artificial, is very old. We are looking in effect at an ancient ruin.
Here are three preliminary croppings of PSP0032342210 Cydonia Face; all are compressed to fit the webpage format.
a- View of best preserved section of face.
b- Close-up of eye to hairline.
c- Unprecedented close-up of eye at 100% magnification and .25 m/p.
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17 years 7 months ago #19435
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Replied by Trinket on topic Reply from Bob
"True enough, but the analyst may see the brushstrokes and be able to tell they are brushstrokes and not random markings.."
<font color="yellow">Unlike Mars this explained scenario assumes the viewer has an unfettered view of the object in question(which we don't)
And that the viewers understand they are looking at art IE. (the Mona Lisa) Which they don't ( see Nasa Tampering)
Instead we have been Bamboozeled since the early 60's or earlier
by an out of control disney like run , propaganda machine called (NASA/JPL) their Motto should be we do science.. so so you don't have too..
There is no expense to great in manipulating, painting ,blurring and editing in an effort to portray this information in a certain light and or (sandstorm with a side order of erosion).(thats called misleading, falsifying).. </font id="yellow">
Mr Demille these are the closeups you ordered..
www.nasafacts.com/3234_2210_REDfacecrop.jpg
Map area
www.nasafacts.com/3234_2210asmallmap.jpg
www.nasafacts.com/3234_2210CROP3.jpg
<font size="4"><font color="white">fullsizejpg
Researchers
If anyone would like crops of any particular Mro Image ..
at full scale or any scale drop me a note..
Also any format ie..tiff
</font id="white"></font id="size4">
<font color="yellow">Unlike Mars this explained scenario assumes the viewer has an unfettered view of the object in question(which we don't)
And that the viewers understand they are looking at art IE. (the Mona Lisa) Which they don't ( see Nasa Tampering)
Instead we have been Bamboozeled since the early 60's or earlier
by an out of control disney like run , propaganda machine called (NASA/JPL) their Motto should be we do science.. so so you don't have too..
There is no expense to great in manipulating, painting ,blurring and editing in an effort to portray this information in a certain light and or (sandstorm with a side order of erosion).(thats called misleading, falsifying).. </font id="yellow">
Mr Demille these are the closeups you ordered..
www.nasafacts.com/3234_2210_REDfacecrop.jpg
Map area
www.nasafacts.com/3234_2210asmallmap.jpg
www.nasafacts.com/3234_2210CROP3.jpg
<font size="4"><font color="white">fullsizejpg
Researchers
If anyone would like crops of any particular Mro Image ..
at full scale or any scale drop me a note..
Also any format ie..tiff
</font id="white"></font id="size4">
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17 years 7 months ago #18903
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Replied by neilderosa on topic Reply from Neil DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The full-res image is impressive and answers many questions. But few of them were not already answered by the MGS and ESA-3D images. -|Tom|-<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
That is probably so, but I'd like to take the points I'm familiar with to see if the new image confirms, modifies, or falsifies my previous conception. This is of course just a personal opinion on my part as there are several scholars who are far more conversant on the subject of the Cydonia face than I am. I'll point out one or two items per post as time permits.
d- Here is a feature I had thought was a deep crack or fissure in the damaged east half of the face in the cheek area, from E1501347 at 1.5 m/p.
e- Now we see it is not a crack at all, but a boarder possibly at the edge of a melt, which forms a ledge adjacent to a lower part of the apparent melt, from PSP_003234_2210 at .25 m/p.
f- Here’s a 100% zoom-in of the same ledge.
That is probably so, but I'd like to take the points I'm familiar with to see if the new image confirms, modifies, or falsifies my previous conception. This is of course just a personal opinion on my part as there are several scholars who are far more conversant on the subject of the Cydonia face than I am. I'll point out one or two items per post as time permits.
d- Here is a feature I had thought was a deep crack or fissure in the damaged east half of the face in the cheek area, from E1501347 at 1.5 m/p.
e- Now we see it is not a crack at all, but a boarder possibly at the edge of a melt, which forms a ledge adjacent to a lower part of the apparent melt, from PSP_003234_2210 at .25 m/p.
f- Here’s a 100% zoom-in of the same ledge.
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